Chiefs What do all the great Quarterbacks have in common? - Page 3

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 07:43 PM

Just curious.

I've been thinking this to myself lately and could think of one thing that comes to mind, excellent field vision. If I am missing anything, please care to add.

I've watched the likes of Brady, Montana, and Marino who were very productive and still managed to get by without superstar receivers. How? It had to be good field vision that enabled them to progress through their reads and make plays.

Good field vision goes a long long way imo. Without, I don't think there is much a quarterback can do? Which kinda worries me a bit about Cassel. I've been watching this last preseason game against the Ravens and Im still seeing bad reads from him. Im still seeing how his eyes just lock onto one receiver without managing to keep it on the entire field. I don't mean to turn this into a Cassel debate or anything, but he had this very issue last year and has me wondering, is this the one particular attribute that will prevent him from being great?

I think good field vision is a skill but not one that can be taught. You either have that or you don't. Much like speed. Can't teach speed to an athlete either. I can understand now when some people say his ceiling is limited.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

hey Im just giving my 2 cents on what I see.

Yes, and you leave us wondering if you have good post vision.

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yes, and you leave us wondering if you have good post vision.

You're entitled to your own opinion.

PatsFanDan · 08-20-2011, 08:08 PM

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Yeah but Brady has tremendous poise and patience. when there is a rush, he may glance at it for a split second, but doesn't show much panic in the process. The thing that impresses me most about him is that he can still maintain his poise, pocket awareness and have his eyes set down the field at the same time.

Cassel on the other hand, when the rush is on, he panics and then looks at the rush rather than down the field.

This was true of Cassel during that 11-5 season with the Pats. His biggest weakness was he didn't handle pressure defenses well.....the Pitt game being a good example that season.

I have always thought Josh Mcdaniels did a fantastic job coaching Cassel up that season. I don't think he's terrible by any means. But I do recall that preseason before Brady got hurt in week one....I wanted Cassel cut. He was awful in preseason. And I was shocked the Pats won 11 games with him at QB....all things considered.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:09 PM

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I'm not saying a QB can't move his head.....and every pass play isn't a crapshoot to see who gets open after the snap.

I'm just pointing out what I see as teh flaw in your point.

Misdirection is usually achieved by a pump fake, but assuming that a QB locks on a receiver for that purpose, then he's limiting his receiving targets to a narrow fileld.

It's possible, but I just don't see it.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:09 PM

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You're entitled to your own opinion.

That was supposed to be a joke.

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 08:11 PM

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That was supposed to be a joke.

If you say so.

durtyrute · 08-20-2011, 08:11 PM

They have never played for the Chiefs?

ClevelandBronco · 08-20-2011, 08:13 PM

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They have never played for the Chiefs?

Nah. Joe Montana played for the Chiefs after he was washed up.

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:14 PM

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If you say so.

If I'm going to insult you, I'm going to do it as directly and openly as humanly possible, not some sideways, lameass, indirect bullshit.

I don't do subtle.

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 08:15 PM

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This was true of Cassel during that 11-5 season with the Pats. His biggest weakness was he didn't handle pressure defenses well.....the Pitt game being a good example that season.

I have always thought Josh Mcdaniels did a fantastic job coaching Cassel up that season. I don't think he's terrible by any means. But I do recall that preseason before Brady got hurt in week one....I wanted Cassel cut. He was awful in preseason. And I was shocked the Pats won 11 games with him at QB....all things considered.

This is why I kinda hoped KC would address their tackle situation a little bit better. Gaither is not a bad pickup. Question is, will he play and get back to old form? We don't have the greatest set of tackles. to me, I think it would benefit Cassel if he had really good offensive tackles. just to buy him more time in the pocket and to give him that sense of security and comfort that he desperately needs.

durtyrute · 08-20-2011, 08:15 PM

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Nah. Joe Montana played for the Chiefs after he was washed up.

"Missed it by....that much"

RedThat · 08-20-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

If I'm going to insult you, I'm going to do it as directly and openly as humanly possible, not some sideways, lameass, indirect bullshit.

I don't do subtle.

Cool. Appreciate your honesty.

**CrazyPhuD** · 08-20-2011, 08:19 PM

They're not game managers?

milkman · 08-20-2011, 08:24 PM

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They're not game managers?

I disagree.

Troy Aikman was a game manager, because he had a great O-Line in front of him, and a great running back behind him.

But when the need arose, he could take over and make plays.

I guess you could say that aren't game managers by necessity.

ClevelandBronco · 08-20-2011, 08:28 PM

Aikman was a great quarterback?

08-20-2011, 07:43 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	What do all the great Quarterbacks have in common? Just curious. I've been thinking this to myself lately and could think of one thing that comes to mind, excellent field vision. If I am missing anything, please care to add. I've watched the likes of Brady, Montana, and Marino who were very productive and still managed to get by without superstar receivers. How? It had to be good field vision that enabled them to progress through their reads and make plays. Good field vision goes a long long way imo. Without, I don't think there is much a quarterback can do? Which kinda worries me a bit about Cassel. I've been watching this last preseason game against the Ravens and Im still seeing bad reads from him. Im still seeing how his eyes just lock onto one receiver without managing to keep it on the entire field. I don't mean to turn this into a Cassel debate or anything, but he had this very issue last year and has me wondering, is this the one particular attribute that will prevent him from being great? I think good field vision is a skill but not one that can be taught. You either have that or you don't. Much like speed. Can't teach speed to an athlete either. I can understand now when some people say his ceiling is limited.
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