The Hobbit

[O.city]

When is that talked about?

I figured, putting two and two together when reading the Hobbit that the Necro was Sauron.

I'm also curious if Sauromon knew what was going on when he is at the meeting with Gandalf at Rivendale.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by O.city

When is that talked about?

I figured, putting two and two together when reading the Hobbit that the Necro was Sauron.

I'm also curious if Sauromon knew what was going on when he is at the meeting with Gandalf at Rivendale.

You get the idea he does from the film.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

You get the idea he does from the film.

The way he acted, I got the idea that he did know that.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by WV

Are the appendices included in the book Return of the King? I don't remember and I didn't see them on Amazon to buy. I'm rereading the Hobbit now in anticipation of seeing the movie.

Originally Posted by O.city

When is that talked about?

I figured, putting two and two together when reading the Hobbit that the Necro was Sauron.

I'm also curious if Sauromon knew what was going on when he is at the meeting with Gandalf at Rivendale.

The Appendices come "standard" at the end of any version of Return of the King that you buy. Appendix A is where all the good stuff is, by and large.

Appendix B can also be helpful, as it contains a timeline which includes some substantive stuff which answers your questions above (keeping in mind that Peter Jackson has played substantially with the timeline and even with some character motivations (Saruman, especially) in the movies versus the books, such as:

Spoiler!

"2850 [Third Age]: Gandalf again enters Dol Guldur, and discovers that its master is indeed Sauron."

"2851: The White Council meets. Gandalf urges an attack on Dol Guldur. Saruman overrules him. (Footnote 1). Saruman begins to search near the Gladden Fields." [for the One Ring]

"Footnote 1: It afterwards became clear that Saruman had then begun to desire to possess the One Ring himself, and he hoped that it might reveal itself, seeking its master, if Sauron were let be for a time."

[note, fast forward 88 years!]

"2939: Saruman discovers that Sauron's servants are searching the Anduin near Gladden Fields, and that Sauron therefore has learned of Isildur's end. He is alarmed, but says nothing to the Council."

2941: [all the events relayed in The Hobbit transpire] Included are one key sentence relating to Saruman: "The White Council meets; Saruman agrees on an attack on Dol Guldur, since he now wishes to prevent Sauron from searching the river."

[Hammock Parties]

I don't know if it's in your copy but it's in mine. I have all three LOTR books collected in one volume + appendices. Its under "The Tale of Years."

If you wanna know about it, just read wiki though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauron

Around the year 1050,[37] a shadow of fear fell on the forest later called Mirkwood. As would later become known, this was the first sign of Sauron's remanifestation, but for many years he was not recognized. He was known (as in The Hobbit) as the Necromancer. He established a stronghold called Dol Guldur, "Hill of Sorcery", in the southern part of the forest not far from Lórien.

Shortly after the shadow fell upon the forest, the Valar sent five Maiar to oppose this growing power. They took the form of Wizards, the most prominent being Gandalf and Saruman. By about 1100, "the Wise" (the Wizards and the chief Elves) became aware that an evil power had made a stronghold at Dol Guldur. Initially it was assumed that this was one of the Nazgûl rather than Sauron himself. About the year 1300, the Nazgûl did indeed reappear. In the ensuing centuries, the chief of the Nazgûl, the Witch-king of Angmar, repeatedly attacked the northern realm of Arnor, first in 1409 and finally overrunning and effectively destroying the realm in 1974. Though driven from the north in the following year by the Elves and forces from Gondor, the Witch-king retreated to Mordor and gathered the Nazgûl there. In 2000, the Nazgûl issued from Mordor to besiege the city of Minas Ithil in the mountains bordering Mordor. The city fell in 2002, and became known as Minas Morgul. With the city the Nazgûl also captured the palantír of Minas Ithil, one of the seven seeing stones that Elendil's people had brought with them from Númenor at the eve of the Downfall.

In this same period, the Dwarf kingdom in Moria was destroyed by a Balrog, who slew King Durin VI and his son Náin I and drove the dwarves away. In the centuries that followed dragons attacked other settlements of dwarves in the north. (Whether Sauron had any part in these attacks on the Dwarves is unknown.) In this time many of the surviving Noldorin Elves became weary of Middle-earth and departed for Valinor.

As the power of Dol Guldur grew, the Wise came to suspect that the controlling force behind the Witch-king and the other Nazgûl was indeed their original master, Sauron. In 2063, Gandalf went to Dol Guldur and made the first attempt to learn the truth, but Sauron retreated and hid in the East. It would be almost 400 years before he returned to his stronghold in Mirkwood, and his identity remained undetermined.

Sauron finally reappeared with increased strength in 2460. About the same time, the long-lost Ruling Ring was finally recovered from the River Anduin, found by a Stoor Hobbit[38] named Déagol. Déagol's friend and relative[39] Sméagol coveted the Ring and killed Déagol to get it, and was eventually corrupted by it, becoming the creature Gollum. Banished by his family, he took the Ring, which he called his "Precious", and hid in the Misty Mountains.

In 2850, Gandalf made a second attempt to spy out Dol Guldur. Stealing into the stronghold, he was finally able to confirm the identity of its lord, later reporting to the White Council of Elves and Wizards that Sauron had returned. Saruman dissuaded the Council from acting against Sauron, hoping thereby to acquire the One Ring for himself.

Eventually, the Wise put forth their might and drove Sauron from Mirkwood in 2941. During the White Council's delay he had, however, prepared his next move, and was willing to abandon Dol Guldur.

Just before Sauron fled Dol Guldur, the hobbit Bilbo Baggins, on an improbable adventure with a party of Dwarves, stumbled across the Ring deep within the Misty Mountains. After his quest was over, Bilbo brought the Ring back to Hobbiton in the Shire. Decades later, he passed it on to his heir, Frodo.

By then, Sauron's power had recovered to the point that he was able to extend his will over Middle-earth. The Eye of Sauron, as his attention and force of will was perceived, became a symbol of oppression and fear. Following his expulsion from Dol Guldur, he returned to Mordor in 2942, openly declared himself nine years later, and started raising Barad-dûr anew. In preparation for a final war against Men and Elves, he bred armies of monstrous Orcs, the Uruk-hai.

[CoMoChief]

I don't think I'm nerd enough to see this....because I will have no ****ing clue about anything that's going on in the movie.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I don't think I'm nerd enough to see this....because I will have no ****ing clue about anything that's going on in the movie.

That might make it better, to be honest.

When you know what's gonna happen shit isn't as cool. My excitement for these movies has always been seeing shit I read about realized on the big screen.

Somehow Peter Jackson managed to do it, almost every time, in a way that effected



So I can't imagine what it'd be like for someone who didn't know the next scene.

[O.city]

Yeah, when you knwo whats coming and it still jacks you up, touche.


PS, I really wanna get a ****ing Eagle and ride around Middle earth ****ing shit up. Or a nasgul

[Hammock Parties]

I'm a big pussy, but I still get choked up EVERY TIME watching Fellowship of the Ring when Gandalf slips off into the abyss and Frodo screams.

That scene is so perfect.

Don't even get me started on Sam on the slopes of Mt. Doom.

[O.city]

I love the part in ROTK, when Merry saves Pippin. Those two crack my shit up.

[O.city]

And the previews for that movie, were awesome.


The Man of Steel might have the biggest compilation of badass actors ever.

[Hammock Parties]

I've completely lost my mind.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

I've completely lost my mind.

I might still be playing lotro if my account hadn't been hacked and all my characters completely emptied a year and a half ago.

(that actually happened at least once to everyone that I ever played the game with - they all got their stuff back though. i didn't)

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I might still be playing lotro if my account hadn't been hacked and all my characters completely emptied a year and a half ago.

(that actually happened at least once to everyone that I ever played the game with - they all got their stuff back though. i didn't)

F2P?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

F2P?

I'm VIP from originally having a lifetime account, so I can play at any time I want. I just don't particularly want to start playing on level 65s with no gear.