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DaWolf · 10-28-2009, 09:22 AM

MMQB Mail: Common denominator among five bad NFL teams

Seems to me we have nine bad teams in football right now. For all of you in Buffalo, Chicago and Seattle who want me to include your team in this grouping, sorry. You've show too many signs of life to make the Bottom Nine.

The worst teams fall into three categories. Separating the badness:

The Blow It Up And Start Over Division: Tampa Bay (0-7), St. Louis (0-7), Cleveland (1-6), Kansas City (1-6), Detroit (1-5).

It All Starts With The Quarterback Division: Oakland (2-5), Washington (2-5), Carolina (2-4).

They Never Should Have Drafted Vince Young Division: Tennessee (0-6).

The last four teams have quarterback problems that will keep them down until solved. JaMarcus Russell is a disaster; we don't need to see any more of him to know his pocket presence and awareness are horrible and his accuracy just as bad. Jason Campbell far too often looks for the easy checkdown than for the open throw downfield, and watching the first half of the Monday nighter, I'm convinced his pocket awareness, too, is severely flawed. In Carolina, John Fox has to be wondering if Jake Delhomme is Steve Sax. I know I am. In Tennessee, Jeff Fisher has to see if Vince Young has a chance; there is no sense playing Kerry Collins now. But I have little faith that Young will work there, and the Titans must not either, based on Fisher's unwillingness to play him significant minutes.

But the five teams in the Blow It Up Division have three things in common. If I'm the owner of any of them, I think it's foolish to think anything but stay the course and let's evaluate everything after the season. The only place among the five that I think has even a small chance of getting blown up in-season is Cleveland. But that shouldn't be judged until January.

The common denominators among the Bucs, Rams, Browns, Chiefs and Lions:

1. (Mostly) New front offices trying to change the culture. All but St. Louis have new general managers, and with the Rams, new coach Steve Spagnuolo and COO Kevin Demoff have joined willing agent-of-change GM Bill Devaney in changing everything about the organization. The Bucs had the fifth-oldest team in football last year; now they're the third-youngest. Eric Mangini and George Kokinis would change everything about the Browns (I think including the nickname) if they could; that's how far gone they think they found this organization. Scott Pioli was given a free hand to reconstruct the Chiefs in his vision from the ground, and he's in the 10th month of probably a three-year building job doing that. In Detroit, Martin Mayhew (even though he's a Matt Millen leftover) has already shown his smarts by getting first-, third- and fifth-round picks for perennial underachiever Roy Willams, and he's found a willing partner for change in new-thinking Jim Schwartz. I think Mayhew deserves to be judged on his own.

2. Coaches trying to establish newness takes a while. Ask the Chiefs about the four-and-a-half-hour practice days (two sessions) in training camp of Todd Haley compared to the much-softer hand of Herman Edwards. Haley will now be tested by this Larry Johnson Twitter criticism. At Tampa, Raheem Morris probably got his job a year too soon, but the Bucs were worried about losing him to another team in 2010. In Detroit, Schwartz changed the weight room to almost all free weights to build strength for a team he thought got pushed around too much. Romeo Crennel was the benevolent uncle in Cleveland, Mangini the marine uncle. (Not saying he's better, just saying he's totally different.) Steve Spagnuolo got to know everyone in the building in St. Louis and promoted team to the point where he took down all individual current photos of players in the building.

3. The quarterbacks are all struggling and/or hurt. This week, 35 quarterbacks qualify for the NFL's quarterback stats, having played enough to justify inclusion. The five quarterbacks of these teams -- Matt Cassel, Marc Bulger, Matthew Stafford (though out currently with a knee injury), Josh Johnson and Derek Anderson -- are 25th, 27th, 29th, 33rd and 35th in passer rating, and also all in the bottom third in average per pass attempt, the more significant passing category.

Cassel and Stafford are their teams' quarterbacks of the future and are going through growing pains. Anderson and Bulger are almost certain to be replaced long-term with draftees or free-agents in 2010. Johnson is an interesting prospect, but Josh Freeman has the best shot to be the Bucs' long-term quarterback. When young quarterbacks struggle, rebuilding teams are almost always awful. It's a fact of NFL life.

Which team will turn it around in 2010? My guess is Detroit and Kansas City have the best chances because they have what appear to be strong GMs, strong coaches and quarterbacks who look like they have a chance. I don't expect Mangini to make it long-term, and I'm dubious about Morris because Tampa's going to lose for awhile longer -- maybe quite awhile. Spagnuolo should have a shot, unless whoever buys the Rams wants a big star as coach. Schwartz and Haley will have two or three years to prove themselves.

We're all just guessing on these teams, but the ones that turn around are usually the ones with strong coaches, consistent front offices and competent quarterbacks.

***

I like Shaun Hill as a leader and a player, but I'd have done the same thing Mike Singletary did Monday -- name Alex Smith the quarterback of his team for the foreseeable future. Simple reason: He gave the team a spark it hadn't shown in six quarters, and with the NFC West being taken over in the past couple of weeks by Arizona, time is running out to establish a toehold in the division.

The other reason: Smith hung around the 49ers' facility during the bye week and threw to Michael Crabtree. When they got together in the second half of Sunday's loss at Houston, they looked like they were very much on the same page. Crabtree, who played a surprisingly high 48 snaps in the game, will be force-fed the offense because Singletary thinks he's ready to be force-fed. He might be a bigger factor in this offense down the stretch than any of us predicted.

***

Mail time...

• NINER NATION WANTS MORE CRABTREE. From Armine Khansari of Houston: "Michael Crabtree: five catches for 56 yards, and a 20-plus-yarder brought back due to a penalty. He was on the field for almost every offensive snap and looks to be in great shape. I say he's legit Peter. What were your impressions?''

He's a little faster than I thought -- or at least played faster at Houston. And he'll be on the rug at Indy on Sunday, so that should help too. The couple of isolated replays I saw showed a receiver comfortable with the cuts and playing confidently; he wasn't intimidated by anything the Texans threw at him from what I saw. A good start.

• OVERSEAS FOOTBALL. From Jeff of Atlanta: "Good point on fans in Tampa never seeing Tom Brady, etc., because of the game overseas, but don't you HAVE to make that overseas game a cross-conference game? Otherwise, a conference game -- or even worse, a division game -- that might decide a playoff spot is lost, and the team that gave up that home date is REALLY penalized.''

I'm sure that's what teams will argue. But if I'm a fan, I tell my owner, "How can you rob me of my one chance to see Tom Brady EVER? I pay good money for these tickets. Take away the Jake Delhomme game, please. But not the Brady game.''

• THE REDSKINS SHOULD HAVE TOO. From Greg of Los Angeles: "Given their O-line problems this season, should the Packers have traded up or down to take one of the tackles in this year's draft? Michael Oher was available for a long time on draft day.''

Lots of teams are looking at Oher playing the left side for Baltimore and keeping Joe Flacco clear. Good point. I can't argue with you. I think Oher will be a vastly over-producing player compared to some of the men who went before him in the 2009 draft.

• POINT TAKEN. From Tom of Annapolis, Md.: "Once again Peter, I enjoyed your column, but I take issue with you and some others about Adrian Peterson's hit on William Gay. Gay got there on a bad angle and never had a chance to break down. Yes, he got wacked, but "ruined"? No. Peterson left the game after that, and his backup gave the game away. Gay never missed a play.''

Interesting point. But Chester Taylor is in the game a lot anyway, and you don't know if Peterson would have stayed in the game after that play or gone, depending on the play called and the formation used. I admire Gay for hanging in there, but that's a play that will haunt him for a while.

• PITTSBURGH. From Chris Palmer of St. Thomas, Ontario: "After Pittsburgh and Cincinnati beat two teams from the NFC North this weekend, who do you think stands a better chance to win the AFC North? Do you think the other team will be the wild card, or does Baltimore still have a shot?''

I like the Steelers. I think they're better on defense. If the Steelers can run it even a little bit, they should beat Cincinnati in the rematch and win the division. I like the Bengals to be a wild card, and I wouldn't count out Baltimore yet. I think they've played better than their three-game losing streak indicates.

• SHOUTOUT TO ASHWAUBENON HIGH. From Chad of Green Bay: "I happen to coach at Ashwaubenon High and take exception to your taking a shot at our receiving corps. Sure Al Harris and Charles Woodson could hold down our receivers for a while, but comparing us to the Browns? Ouch!''

They play some fine football in the Green Bay area. I've been to two Friday night games there over the years.

• COMES WITH THE TURF. From Ashley of Cincinnati: "Man, those crossword comments were harsh. It's like they think you won the Nobel Peace Prize prematurely.''

I know the Sunday crossword people, and believe me, they're not big Monday Morning QB fans.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...#ixzz0VFDDXrLJ

Micjones · 10-28-2009, 12:23 PM

You mean there is hope?

But, but, but...
The Four Horsemen told me all was lost... What gives?

Brock · 10-28-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

You mean there is hope?

But, but, but...
The Four Horsemen told me all was lost... What gives?

Sure, there's hope. There's been hope since 1960.

milkman · 10-28-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

I think this is the key thing in there. Pioli didn't take this job to fit in the "six to eight" players that Herm thought we were away from competing for the playoffs, he took over this team to rip it apart and build an entirely new team from ground up, I'm guessing because he has a philosophy he believes in, he saw an owner who was going to have the patience and give him the support to do it, and he saw a team that he felt was fundamentally flawed and would never be in a position to compete for Super Bowls in the direction they were going.

Now we gotta pray that Pioli knows what he's doing, because he's basically going about this like the Chiefs are an expansion team (and, at 4-12 and 2-14, they essentially were)...

I disagree.

I thought the chiefs were headed in the right direction, they simply needed a new director.

I still believe that Tank and Turk could have been legitimate contibrutors ina 43 with Dorsey as the anchor.

I also believe that had the right "director" been hired, we would have addressed the O-Line, QB and WR in free agency and the draft.

We simply needed to tweak the philosophy on both sides of the ball and continue ot add talent.

We didn't need to blow the whole thing up.

DaWolf · 10-28-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

As Clark pointed out last week... the Donkey's were 8-8 last year, we were 2-14. No matter how big of a mess they had this off-season and the perceived lack of a Super Bowl team, they still had a fair amount more talent than we did. They plugged in some players, changed up their scheme and it worked. Apparently they weren't that far off as we all thought?

And it really depends on the outlook you take on it. There are many different ways to build an organization. You can say that Denver plugged in some holes and off they went, but if they lose in the first round again, did anything of significance really change? If we stayed the course with Herm and Carl and brought in those six to eight players that Herm thought they were away from getting back to the playoffs, only to lose in the first round again, would it really have been better?

I'm thinking (hoping) that Pioli has this philosophy on what it will take to build a Super Bowl champion, not just some team that is making the playoffs at 9-7 or 10-6, occasionally going 13-3 thanks to lucky bounces in the regular season, and losing in the first or second round, and he wants to try and build it from the ground up. Again, the jury is out, but I think that's why you see him getting rid of anyone and everyone that doesn't fit what he's looking for...

Calcountry · 10-28-2009, 12:34 PM

Well, it looks like I did the right thing with Sunday ticket for a second year.

B_Ambuehl · 10-28-2009, 02:08 PM

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Which team will turn it around in 2010? My guess is Detroit and Kansas City have the best chances because they have what appear to be strong GMs, strong coaches and quarterbacks who look like they have a chance.

Here comes Mecca, Dane, OTWP and Deez Nutz to tell us this is all BS and the organization is a total bust at this point. Blah,blah,blah.

Any negative opinion article is quoted as fact and anything resembling a positive is regarded as BS.

Except people forget this isn't the 1st year of the rebuild. Herm had already blown up the building 2 years ago and, based on whats happened on the field, this team has regressed even further. Some people are just sick and tired of seeing the same old bullshit over and over and being fed the same bill of goods. This regime is doing the same thing Herm did when he came in. Guys like DJ and Page are to Halioli what guys like Wiegmann and Dante Hall were to Herm. Some people are smart enough to realize the reasoning it's all just a bunch of hot air.

Goldmember · 10-28-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

And it really depends on the outlook you take on it. There are many different ways to build an organization. You can say that Denver plugged in some holes and off they went, but if they lose in the first round again, did anything of significance really change? If we stayed the course with Herm and Carl and brought in those six to eight players that Herm thought they were away from getting back to the playoffs, only to lose in the first round again, would it really have been better?

I'm thinking (hoping) that Pioli has this philosophy on what it will take to build a Super Bowl champion, not just some team that is making the playoffs at 9-7 or 10-6, occasionally going 13-3 thanks to lucky bounces in the regular season, and losing in the first or second round, and he wants to try and build it from the ground up. Again, the jury is out, but I think that's why you see him getting rid of anyone and everyone that doesn't fit what he's looking for...

The Cardinals were a 9-7 team that was one play away from a SB champion. To win one takes a lot of things happening just right along the way, some of it is luck. The best team doesn't always win. You need to get the team to a highly competitive level first, but there really isn't one true blueprint to win a SB....there are many blueprints.

**DeezNutz** · 10-28-2009, 02:10 PM

Hoover · 10-28-2009, 02:23 PM

While I agree that this isn't the first year of the rebuild, it is Pioli's first year.

I don't care who was the HC or GM, when you change those positions you basically have to start over. I'm glad that the Chiefs it this way.

I hate the fact that we suck ass, I really do. However, I do see a light far off in the distance. We all thought Herm, or at least I did, was a good talent guy. I think we were wrong. How many players did we draft or sign that nobody has wanted after being cut.

The best thing the Chiefs could do is cut Larry Johnson's ass and anyone else who is a cancer to this team. Now is the time to do it.

What gives me hope is that we have a QB who I think can be the guy, a WR, and some defensive talent. We have a long way to go, but a core of players is starting to emerge.

Titty Meat · 10-28-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I disagree.

I still believe that Tank and Turk could have been legitimate contibrutors ina 43 with Dorsey as the anchor.

Turk and Tank like the rest of Carls draft picks sucked dude.

Fish · 10-28-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I disagree.

I thought the chiefs were headed in the right direction, they simply needed a new director.

I still believe that Tank and Turk could have been legitimate contibrutors ina 43 with Dorsey as the anchor.

I also believe that had the right "director" been hired, we would have addressed the O-Line, QB and WR in free agency and the draft.

We simply needed to tweak the philosophy on both sides of the ball and continue ot add talent.

We didn't need to blow the whole thing up.

Very well said.

Fish · 10-28-2009, 02:36 PM

Rebuilding was essentially restarted when they decided to go 3-4 or bust. Up until that point, most of the rebuilding efforts on D had gone into the DLine. Pioli and Haley set the rebuilding back themselves when they decided they had to switch to a 3-4.

And the youth movement was really put on a back burner too. I hate to see that. All the old guys they brought it haven't served much purpose IMO.

tonyetony · 10-28-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Rainbows and Pegasus?

**DeezNutz** · 10-28-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony

Rainbows and Pegasus?

Machismo.

tonyetony · 10-28-2009, 03:01 PM

I personally like the Steve Miller Band Pegasus a little more.

10-28-2009, 09:22 AM
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Peter King: Common denominator among five bad NFL teams... MMQB Mail: Common denominator among five bad NFL teams Seems to me we have nine bad teams in football right now. For all of you in Buffalo, Chicago and Seattle who want me to include your team in this grouping, sorry. You've show too many signs of life to make the Bottom Nine. The worst teams fall into three categories. Separating the badness: The Blow It Up And Start Over Division: Tampa Bay (0-7), St. Louis (0-7), Cleveland (1-6), Kansas City (1-6), Detroit (1-5). It All Starts With The Quarterback Division: Oakland (2-5), Washington (2-5), Carolina (2-4). They Never Should Have Drafted Vince Young Division: Tennessee (0-6). The last four teams have quarterback problems that will keep them down until solved. JaMarcus Russell is a disaster; we don't need to see any more of him to know his pocket presence and awareness are horrible and his accuracy just as bad. Jason Campbell far too often looks for the easy checkdown than for the open throw downfield, and watching the first half of the Monday nighter, I'm convinced his pocket awareness, too, is severely flawed. In Carolina, John Fox has to be wondering if Jake Delhomme is Steve Sax. I know I am. In Tennessee, Jeff Fisher has to see if Vince Young has a chance; there is no sense playing Kerry Collins now. But I have little faith that Young will work there, and the Titans must not either, based on Fisher's unwillingness to play him significant minutes. But the five teams in the Blow It Up Division have three things in common. If I'm the owner of any of them, I think it's foolish to think anything but stay the course and let's evaluate everything after the season. The only place among the five that I think has even a small chance of getting blown up in-season is Cleveland. But that shouldn't be judged until January. The common denominators among the Bucs, Rams, Browns, Chiefs and Lions: 1. (Mostly) New front offices trying to change the culture. All but St. Louis have new general managers, and with the Rams, new coach Steve Spagnuolo and COO Kevin Demoff have joined willing agent-of-change GM Bill Devaney in changing everything about the organization. The Bucs had the fifth-oldest team in football last year; now they're the third-youngest. Eric Mangini and George Kokinis would change everything about the Browns (I think including the nickname) if they could; that's how far gone they think they found this organization. Scott Pioli was given a free hand to reconstruct the Chiefs in his vision from the ground, and he's in the 10th month of probably a three-year building job doing that. In Detroit, Martin Mayhew (even though he's a Matt Millen leftover) has already shown his smarts by getting first-, third- and fifth-round picks for perennial underachiever Roy Willams, and he's found a willing partner for change in new-thinking Jim Schwartz. I think Mayhew deserves to be judged on his own. 2. Coaches trying to establish newness takes a while. Ask the Chiefs about the four-and-a-half-hour practice days (two sessions) in training camp of Todd Haley compared to the much-softer hand of Herman Edwards. Haley will now be tested by this Larry Johnson Twitter criticism. At Tampa, Raheem Morris probably got his job a year too soon, but the Bucs were worried about losing him to another team in 2010. In Detroit, Schwartz changed the weight room to almost all free weights to build strength for a team he thought got pushed around too much. Romeo Crennel was the benevolent uncle in Cleveland, Mangini the marine uncle. (Not saying he's better, just saying he's totally different.) Steve Spagnuolo got to know everyone in the building in St. Louis and promoted team to the point where he took down all individual current photos of players in the building. 3. The quarterbacks are all struggling and/or hurt. This week, 35 quarterbacks qualify for the NFL's quarterback stats, having played enough to justify inclusion. The five quarterbacks of these teams -- Matt Cassel, Marc Bulger, Matthew Stafford (though out currently with a knee injury), Josh Johnson and Derek Anderson -- are 25th, 27th, 29th, 33rd and 35th in passer rating, and also all in the bottom third in average per pass attempt, the more significant passing category. Cassel and Stafford are their teams' quarterbacks of the future and are going through growing pains. Anderson and Bulger are almost certain to be replaced long-term with draftees or free-agents in 2010. Johnson is an interesting prospect, but Josh Freeman has the best shot to be the Bucs' long-term quarterback. When young quarterbacks struggle, rebuilding teams are almost always awful. It's a fact of NFL life. Which team will turn it around in 2010? My guess is Detroit and Kansas City have the best chances because they have what appear to be strong GMs, strong coaches and quarterbacks who look like they have a chance. I don't expect Mangini to make it long-term, and I'm dubious about Morris because Tampa's going to lose for awhile longer -- maybe quite awhile. Spagnuolo should have a shot, unless whoever buys the Rams wants a big star as coach. Schwartz and Haley will have two or three years to prove themselves. We're all just guessing on these teams, but the ones that turn around are usually the ones with strong coaches, consistent front offices and competent quarterbacks. * I like Shaun Hill as a leader and a player, but I'd have done the same thing Mike Singletary did Monday -- name Alex Smith the quarterback of his team for the foreseeable future. Simple reason: He gave the team a spark it hadn't shown in six quarters, and with the NFC West being taken over in the past couple of weeks by Arizona, time is running out to establish a toehold in the division. The other reason: Smith hung around the 49ers' facility during the bye week and threw to Michael Crabtree. When they got together in the second half of Sunday's loss at Houston, they looked like they were very much on the same page. Crabtree, who played a surprisingly high 48 snaps in the game, will be force-fed the offense because Singletary thinks he's ready to be force-fed. He might be a bigger factor in this offense down the stretch than any of us predicted. * Mail time... • NINER NATION WANTS MORE CRABTREE. From Armine Khansari of Houston: "Michael Crabtree: five catches for 56 yards, and a 20-plus-yarder brought back due to a penalty. He was on the field for almost every offensive snap and looks to be in great shape. I say he's legit Peter. What were your impressions?'' He's a little faster than I thought -- or at least played faster at Houston. And he'll be on the rug at Indy on Sunday, so that should help too. The couple of isolated replays I saw showed a receiver comfortable with the cuts and playing confidently; he wasn't intimidated by anything the Texans threw at him from what I saw. A good start. • OVERSEAS FOOTBALL. From Jeff of Atlanta: "Good point on fans in Tampa never seeing Tom Brady, etc., because of the game overseas, but don't you HAVE to make that overseas game a cross-conference game? Otherwise, a conference game -- or even worse, a division game -- that might decide a playoff spot is lost, and the team that gave up that home date is REALLY penalized.'' I'm sure that's what teams will argue. But if I'm a fan, I tell my owner, "How can you rob me of my one chance to see Tom Brady EVER? I pay good money for these tickets. Take away the Jake Delhomme game, please. But not the Brady game.'' • THE REDSKINS SHOULD HAVE TOO. From Greg of Los Angeles: "Given their O-line problems this season, should the Packers have traded up or down to take one of the tackles in this year's draft? Michael Oher was available for a long time on draft day.'' Lots of teams are looking at Oher playing the left side for Baltimore and keeping Joe Flacco clear. Good point. I can't argue with you. I think Oher will be a vastly over-producing player compared to some of the men who went before him in the 2009 draft. • POINT TAKEN. From Tom of Annapolis, Md.: "Once again Peter, I enjoyed your column, but I take issue with you and some others about Adrian Peterson's hit on William Gay. Gay got there on a bad angle and never had a chance to break down. Yes, he got wacked, but "ruined"? No. Peterson left the game after that, and his backup gave the game away. Gay never missed a play.'' Interesting point. But Chester Taylor is in the game a lot anyway, and you don't know if Peterson would have stayed in the game after that play or gone, depending on the play called and the formation used. I admire Gay for hanging in there, but that's a play that will haunt him for a while. • PITTSBURGH. From Chris Palmer of St. Thomas, Ontario: "After Pittsburgh and Cincinnati beat two teams from the NFC North this weekend, who do you think stands a better chance to win the AFC North? Do you think the other team will be the wild card, or does Baltimore still have a shot?'' I like the Steelers. I think they're better on defense. If the Steelers can run it even a little bit, they should beat Cincinnati in the rematch and win the division. I like the Bengals to be a wild card, and I wouldn't count out Baltimore yet. I think they've played better than their three-game losing streak indicates. • SHOUTOUT TO ASHWAUBENON HIGH. From Chad of Green Bay: "I happen to coach at Ashwaubenon High and take exception to your taking a shot at our receiving corps. Sure Al Harris and Charles Woodson could hold down our receivers for a while, but comparing us to the Browns? Ouch!'' They play some fine football in the Green Bay area. I've been to two Friday night games there over the years. • COMES WITH THE TURF. From Ashley of Cincinnati: "Man, those crossword comments were harsh. It's like they think you won the Nobel Peace Prize prematurely.'' I know the Sunday crossword people, and believe me, they're not big Monday Morning QB fans. Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...#ixzz0VFDDXrLJ
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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1678179	While I agree that this isn't the first year of the rebuild, it is Pioli's first year. I don't care who was the HC or GM, when you change those positions you basically have to start over. I'm glad that the Chiefs it this way. I hate the fact that we suck ass, I really do. However, I do see a light far off in the distance. We all thought Herm, or at least I did, was a good talent guy. I think we were wrong. How many players did we draft or sign that nobody has wanted after being cut. The best thing the Chiefs could do is cut Larry Johnson's ass and anyone else who is a cancer to this team. Now is the time to do it. What gives me hope is that we have a QB who I think can be the guy, a WR, and some defensive talent. We have a long way to go, but a core of players is starting to emerge.
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Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2298919	Rebuilding was essentially restarted when they decided to go 3-4 or bust. Up until that point, most of the rebuilding efforts on D had gone into the DLine. Pioli and Haley set the rebuilding back themselves when they decided they had to switch to a 3-4. And the youth movement was really put on a back burner too. I hate to see that. All the old guys they brought it haven't served much purpose IMO. __________________
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