Kiper Mock 3.0

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Everyone is a dumbass... lol...

Anyway, what I saw was a lack of creativity in blitz schemes, and this was also a problem with Crennel. Every team in the NFL knows Hali is coming every play and Justin Houston is coming most of the time. The ILBs and safeties rarely blitz. A 3-4 wasn't designed to be this way, but the Chiefs throw the same shit at a team week after week hoping it somehow works. I'd like to see more variation where and when the blitzes come. I want to see both OLBs dropping into coverage with some regularity, not one less than half the time. I want to see both ILBs being blitzed at various times. I want to see overload blitzes, etc. The best pressure, the quickest pressure, comes up the middle. The Chiefs have to do more to disrupt quarterbacks up the middle, yet they don't. I don't give anyone a pass in the organization by saying the pieces weren't there.

As for coverage, I don't think there is much the Chiefs could have done a whole lot differently. What I think is more the problem is that teams don't have to guess where pressure is coming from versus where the coverage areas will be. They know where pressure is coming from and they know what areas will be open, and that is the problem in a nutshell. On top of that, the entire secondary aside from Berry played pretty shitty last year, that doesn't help anything.

Creativity requires talent and versatility from the positions that you are asking Sutton to be more creative with.

Hali is a liability in coverage, which is why you send him after the QB more than half the time.

Jordan was a liability in coverage, which is why he was sitting on the sidelines and Berry was in the box as a hybrid LB in subpackages on more than half the snaps.

And blitzing is far more effective when at least one of your DEs can create pressure.

Even when he did blitz DJ or Berry, the lack of any pressure from the DL made it far to easy for the blitz to be picled up.

I don't know how effective Sutton is, or can be, as a DC.
And I won't know until we fix those positions.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by milkman

Creativity requires talent and versatility from the positions that you are asking Sutton to be more creative with.

Hali is a liability in coverage, which is why you send him after the QB more than half the time. - Which is why I fully support his replacement being drafted this year and him being let go in the 2015 offseason -

Jordan was a liability in coverage, which is why he was sitting on the sidelines and Berry was in the box as a hybrid LB in subpackages on more than half the snaps. - Two fold deal here. One, the nature of the single-high safety scheme places the SS in a position to be in coverage primarily but from an "in the box" placement. In the same breath, you are 100% correct that Jordan was a liability in coverage, which makes me wonder why the hell the Chiefs brought in Joe Mays who is equally inept. Nico Johnson is also a liability there. Drafting LBs that cannot cover forces your team to come out of a base look into the nickel more often. With the part above about Hali, KC would be as well off playing a 4-3 -

And blitzing is far more effective when at least one of your DEs can create pressure.

Even when he did blitz DJ or Berry, the lack of any pressure from the DL made it far to easy for the blitz to be picled up. - I'm going to couple these last two into a single response and say that pressure in the sense that the DE can at least force double-teams is a huge priority in a 3-4. KC has routinely trotted out DE's that cannot even win 1-on-1 battles, which is absolutely limiting. This was a huge reason I was a proponent of drafting Star Lotulelei a year ago and moving Poe to DE. I think Poe is now entrenched as a disruptive NT, so the Chiefs have to figure some way to find DE's that can force double-teams rather than being merely run stoppers in 1-on-1. Again, if the DE's can't do it, then moving to a 4-3 may be better for the team -

I don't know how effective Sutton is, or can be, as a DC.
And I won't know until we fix those positions. - I don't disagree with you, all I cite is that I saw a lack of "try" from Sutton. Perhaps he was scared to try things given the limitations of the above players. Nobody gets bonus points from me for being scared. - .

Added my replies in red.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Added my replies in red.

I don't call recognition of limitations, and working within those limitations, fear, but that's just me.

I thought Sutton opened up with an inspired game plan against the Colts, with Abdullah in the box and Berry being allowed to roam more.

But once the Colts adjusted, those limitations bit us in the ass.

Only 3 players on this defense have any real versatility.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't call recognition of limitations, and working within those limitations, fear, but that's just me.

I thought Sutton opened up with an inspired game plan against the Colts, with Abdullah in the box and Berry being allowed to roam more.

But once the Colts adjusted, those limitations bit us in the ass.

Only 3 players on this defense have any real versatility.

Question for you milk...

You know that Hali and Jordan can't cover shit if it was stuck to them... so....

If I need to make a play on defense, you'd expect that I'll rush Hali, likely rush Houston, and keep Jordan at home. That seems logical and well within the scope of limitations.

What do you think would happen if I rushed Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry while I dropped Hali, Houston, and Jordan into coverage?

My bets are, the line is completely unsuspecting and it will result in heavy QB pressure immediately, if not a sack. Curious your take. Now I don't expect this 2, 3, or 10 times a game and maybe not every game.

What if I rushed Jordan and Houston, but rotated Berry to cover LOLB flat, DJ to MLB, and Hali dropped to cover ROLB flat?

See what I'm getting at. You don't have to put non-coverage players into coverage situations often, but if you mix them up at the right times in the right mix, you can create some things. You can at least try some things. I didn't see enough of that from Sutton. I think he was bound by the limitations rather than trying to overcome the limitations by selectively pushing beyond those limitations.

But this all feeds into one of my draft rules: Don't draft LBs that can't cover.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Question for you milk...

You know that Hali and Jordan can't cover shit if it was stuck to them... so....

If I need to make a play on defense, you'd expect that I'll rush Hali, likely rush Houston, and keep Jordan at home. That seems logical and well within the scope of limitations.

What do you think would happen if I rushed Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry while I dropped Hali, Houston, and Jordan into coverage?

My bets are, the line is completely unsuspecting and it will result in heavy QB pressure immediately, if not a sack. Curious your take. Now I don't expect this 2, 3, or 10 times a game and maybe not every game.

What if I rushed Jordan and Houston, but rotated Berry to cover LOLB flat, DJ to MLB, and Hali dropped to cover ROLB flat?

See what I'm getting at. You don't have to put non-coverage players into coverage situations often, but if you mix them up at the right times in the right mix, you can create some things. You can at least try some things. I didn't see enough of that from Sutton. I think he was bound by the limitations rather than trying to overcome the limitations by selectively pushing beyond those limitations.

But this all feeds into one of my draft rules: Don't draft LBs that can't cover.

He did that in season, and it worked well a couple times, but got burned after those first couple times..

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Question for you milk...

You know that Hali and Jordan can't cover shit if it was stuck to them... so....

If I need to make a play on defense, you'd expect that I'll rush Hali, likely rush Houston, and keep Jordan at home. That seems logical and well within the scope of limitations.

What do you think would happen if I rushed Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry while I dropped Hali, Houston, and Jordan into coverage?

My bets are, the line is completely unsuspecting and it will result in heavy QB pressure immediately, if not a sack. Curious your take. Now I don't expect this 2, 3, or 10 times a game and maybe not every game.

What if I rushed Jordan and Houston, but rotated Berry to cover LOLB flat, DJ to MLB, and Hali dropped to cover ROLB flat?

See what I'm getting at. You don't have to put non-coverage players into coverage situations often, but if you mix them up at the right times in the right mix, you can create some things. You can at least try some things. I didn't see enough of that from Sutton. I think he was bound by the limitations rather than trying to overcome the limitations by selectively pushing beyond those limitations.

But this all feeds into one of my draft rules: Don't draft LBs that can't cover.

And your plan should be successful.. if Poe isn't the only defender with his hand on the turf successfully getting into the backfield.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And your plan should be successful.. if Poe isn't the only defender with his hand on the turf successfully getting into the backfield.

We need a defensive lineman that can win 1-on-1 battles. Do you see one in this draft that can routinely do that as a 3-4 player? I don't think there is one that can be that kind of player immediately. If I had to pick one that I think might work out it is Tuitt.

Then we're left with the other side of the coin. If the Chiefs recognize the DEs won't generate enough pressure, then they have to look at the coverage v. blitz schemes from the LBs. They have 2 of 4 LBs that can't cover anything. That is too limiting. Something would have to give, and a player like Van Noy would fit the mold very well.

We'll have to see what KC does but I don't expect an overnight switch. A player like Bailey has to finally step up or something.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kccrow

We need a defensive lineman that can win 1-on-1 battles. Do you see one in this draft that can routinely do that as a 3-4 player? I don't think there is one that can be that kind of player immediately. If I had to pick one that I think might work out it is Tuitt.

Then we're left with the other side of the coin. If the Chiefs recognize the DEs won't generate enough pressure, then they have to look at the coverage v. blitz schemes from the LBs. They have 2 of 4 LBs that can't cover anything. That is too limiting. Something would have to give, and a player like Van Noy would fit the mold very well.

We'll have to see what KC does but I don't expect an overnight switch. A player like Bailey has to finally step up or something.

Aaron Donald.