Cops & Homeless Man

[Jimmya]

http://www.newschannel10.com/story/2...omeless-camper


Critics question the fatal shooting of a homeless camper
Posted: Mar 24, 2014 5:20 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 24, 2014 4:50 PM CDT





New Mexico - Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper.

38-year-old James Boyd argued with police for more three hours last Sunday about illegally camping in open space.

Boyd continued to refuse officer commands and began threatening their lives causing officers to open fire.

Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history including multiple incidents of violence against officers and years of mental health related concerns.

[thabear04]

Don't know what video is worst this or when that cop killed that dog.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

I would LOVE to get a look at the autopsy (after viewing the video). It seems fairly obvious to me that the hero with the video camera shoots him twice in the back - perhaps in the spine. Of course when the guy hits the ground he can't move. His spine has most likely been severed and he is dying.

Real American Heroes. You know, I would like to believe that there are good cops out there, but I'm starting to have my doubts. God, I wish I didn't feel this way, but unfortunately I do.

I know, right? That poor innocent man only threatened the mean nazi cops because he has the right to make his own rules, and when the cops approached him he was fully in his right to pull those knives he was protecting his land! Oh wait, well **** the popo anyway. And how could he have known they would actually shoot him? He only pulled out knives!

I bet if I pulled two kitchen knives on any unarmed CP member, they could disarm me with rainbows and paper airplanes. Because they'd know I only have about 1/16 of a chance to hit them with a thrown knife at ten feet and 1/4 of a chance to cause serious bodily injury with a slashing strike, if they were within 10 ft.

Hell, the cops get paid to take those odds. Who cares if jr grows up fatherless, dad should have just picked a different job. Besides, the dickhead cops probably gave the guy the ****ing tent, out of boredom and bloodlust

[CoMoChief]

these cops need to be tried for murder.

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I know, right? That poor innocent man only threatened the mean nazi cops because he has the right to make his own rules, and when the cops approached him he was fully in his right to pull those knives he was protecting his land! Oh wait, well **** the popo anyway. And how could he have known they would actually shoot him? He only pulled out knives!

I bet if I pulled two kitchen knives on any unarmed CP member, they could disarm me with rainbows and paper airplanes. Because they'd know I only have about 1/16 of a chance to hit them with a thrown knife at ten feet and 1/4 of a chance to cause serious bodily injury with a slashing strike, if they were within 10 ft.

Hell, the cops get paid to take those odds. Who cares if jr grows up fatherless, dad should have just picked a different job. Besides, the dickhead cops probably gave the guy the ****ing tent, out of boredom and bloodlust

I would hardly call six well armed "Heroes" - unarmed. What would have made them "armed" a 105 Howitzer? Let's see. They had rifles, shotguns, pistols, tasers, pepper spray, flash bangs, plated vests, hell I guess the only thing left to have is bayonets, right?


This is Bullshit and you know it. You pull a knife on me - 10 feet away and you are turning AWAY from me - I WILL NOT shoot. OR, in the event I DO feel threatened - six cops holding weapons at the ready - I will shoot you in the leg. PERIOD. It is cowardice. Pure and simple. Rifles at the ready - what the hell were these heroes afraid of? Was the guy known to be a knife thrower in the Circus?

Don't let it alarm you - these guys will skate. You know it and I know it. Hell, they get to lay about on paid admin leave for a couple of months! Then they can return to duty and scope out their next victim. Shit guy! All is well in the "Law Enforcement world"!!

It's cool! They have the "law" on their side after all! Just like you said earlier - you don't get paid enough to take chances. Shoot the damned suspect. Sure, it's a lot of paperwork but damn!!! The RUSH!!!

Absolute Bullshit.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

I would hardly call six well armed "Heroes" - unarmed. What would have made them "armed" a 105 Howitzer? Let's see. They had rifles, shotguns, pistols, tasers, pepper spray, flash bangs, plated vests, hell I guess the only thing left to have is bayonets, right?


This is Bullshit and you know it. You pull a knife on me - 10 feet away and you are turning AWAY from me - I WILL NOT shoot. OR, in the event I DO feel threatened - six cops holding weapons at the ready - I will shoot you in the leg. PERIOD. It is cowardice. Pure and simple. Rifles at the ready - what the hell were these heroes afraid of? Was the guy known to be a knife thrower in the Circus?

Don't let it alarm you - these guys will skate. You know it and I know it. Hell, they get to lay about on paid admin leave for a couple of months! Then they can return to duty and scope out their next victim. Shit guy! All is well in the "Law Enforcement world"!!

It's cool! They have the "law" on their side after all! Just like you said earlier - you don't get paid enough to take chances. Shoot the damned suspect. Sure, it's a lot of paperwork but damn!!! The RUSH!!!

Absolute Bullshit.

You proved your point, I get it now, the cops were making all the bad decisions here. They probably gave ol dude the knives too. Hell, maybe the cops are vampires and are tired of drinking the synthetic blood.......

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

You proved your point, I get it now, the cops were making all the bad decisions here. They probably gave ol dude the knives too. Hell, maybe the cops are vampires and are tired of drinking the synthetic blood.......

Give me a break here guy.

Six, supposedly well trained, armed men against one man (obviously out of his mind). YEAH the cops are the bad guys here.

Here is what I will promise you. If these events were turned around and we were in a combat theater with me as your Platoon Sergeant - every one of those men would be facing court martial right now.

It was a cowardly act by "heroes". Period.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

Give me a break here guy.

Six, supposedly well trained, armed men against one man (obviously out of his mind). YEAH the cops are the bad guys here.

Here is what I will promise you. If these events were turned around and we were in a combat theater with me as your Platoon Sergeant - every one of those men would be facing court martial right now.

It was a cowardly act by "heroes". Period.

I've been in theater too, brother. Don't get me started on the bs politics did to the rules of engagement. Swear to god the last trip I was told I couldn't shoot unless I was shot at first.

Maybe you didn't read the whole thread or all the "presented" "facts" we have available here, I don't know (I bet we don't know everything and I bet you weren't there). But only two officers fired lethal rounds. Both at the same time, triple taps like that's their training.

They took the shots right after the poor crazy guy took an aggressive stance with two knives, while the k9 officer was right in front of him, without his weapon drawn. Within a 10 foot "danger zone" often taught in police departments knife training curriculum.

The poor crazy guy made a sudden movement with those knives in a very intense position, did he trip? Did he turn? Was he about to throw the knives? Was he about to do something else?

We'll never know his intent in that second, but we know he pulled two knives on advancing officers after stating he would kill them if they advanced. That is at the very least showing some intent. Intent to be taken seriously.

And if you were my plt Sgt trying to court martial me or my squad for performing in such a manner, my first sgt would kick your ass at the suggestion.

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I've been in theater too, brother. Don't get me started on the bs politics did to the rules of engagement. Swear to god the last trip I was told I couldn't shoot unless I was shot at first.

Maybe you didn't read the whole thread or all the "presented" "facts" we have available here, I don't know (I bet we don't know everything and I bet you weren't there). But only two officers fired lethal rounds. Both at the same time, triple taps like that's their training.

They took the shots right after the poor crazy guy took an aggressive stance with two knives, while the k9 officer was right in front of him, without his weapon drawn. Within a 10 foot "danger zone" often taught in police departments knife training curriculum.

The poor crazy guy made a sudden movement with those knives in a very intense position, did he trip? Did he turn? Was he about to throw the knives? Was he about to do something else?

We'll never know his intent in that second, but we know he pulled two knives on advancing officers after stating he would kill them if they advanced. That is at the very least showing some intent. Intent to be taken seriously.

And if you were my plt Sgt trying to court martial me or my squad for performing in such a manner, my first sgt would kick your ass at the suggestion.

I have several friends who are retired First Sergeants and Sergeant Majors and I say Bullshit. I retired as a CWO. So your First Sergeant wouldn't do shit. The First Sergeants that I was in Viet Nam with would have INITIATED the damned paperwork and the Company Commander would have gladly forwarded it on.

Again, the hero who was filming the whole situation - the AR with the light - shot the guy twice in the back. I hope he sleeps well at night because he will get away with murder. I pray that every night when he closes his eyes he sees that man lying dead. I hope he wakes up screaming every night.

Now it's painfully obvious where you stand. And I have made my point as well. Just remember this young man - I can say that because I'm well into my sixties now. You "heroes" have a real bad PR situation in front of you. You are losing (or have lost) the support of most people. They are afraid of you. That may make those like you feel like big men. It shouldn't. BAD things happen when those who USED to look up to you turn away. I have never called on a police officer in my life. I don't need your "protection". never have and never will. Hell, I wouldn't trust the majority of any of you around me with a loaded weapon.

The old adage always holds true. You reap what you sow. I'm done with this conversation.

[Chief Pote]

Murderers

[Pasta Little Brioni]

That is murder plain and simple...WOW

[Strongside]

Coffey, I typically agree with most of your takes, but you're wrong about this one. Did that man break the law? Yes. Did he deserve to die for his actions? No.

[Bob Dole]

3 dozen officer shootings, 22 of them fatal, since 2010.

[CoMoChief]

I love how the guy was complying and picking up his shit and leaving when the flash bomb the guy and send their hyper active attack dog on him.....and then they shoot him when he freaks out.

These cops PURPOSELY escalated the situation to the point where they had the slightest window of opportunity to open fire (i dont find it justifiable but the APD does, they have a long history of using excessive force on their citizens, including tazering and pepper spraying women in the you know what).

You can tell these cops are former military. Which is why they acted like they did...they're secretly begging to kill someone. And they knew the guy was homeless and knew they had a much better opportunity to get away with it.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Coffey, I typically agree with most of your takes, but you're wrong about this one. Did that man break the law? Yes. Did he deserve to die for his actions? No.

Did the man break the law? Yes
Did he comply with officers orders? No
Did he cause a 3 hour standoff? Yes
Did he verbally threaten officers? Yes
Did he brandish weapons? Yes
Did he drop his knives before being shot when ordered to by officers? No
Did he get exactly what he wanted? Yes

This is suicide by cop plain and simple. This man wanted to be shot by police and he made sure that is exactly what happened. All of this anger over a crazy man who obviously had issues with authority getting exactly what he wanted?

I have also enjoyed reading the posts from all of the macho men on here who claim they wouldn't shoot somebody who pulls a knife on them. Or who claim they are such expert marksmen that they would shoot the guy in the leg in such a high stress situation. Quite a few Rambo mother****ers on this site.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I know, right? That poor innocent man only threatened the mean nazi cops because he has the right to make his own rules, and when the cops approached him he was fully in his right to pull those knives he was protecting his land! Oh wait, well **** the popo anyway. And how could he have known they would actually shoot him? He only pulled out knives!

I bet if I pulled two kitchen knives on any unarmed CP member, they could disarm me with rainbows and paper airplanes. Because they'd know I only have about 1/16 of a chance to hit them with a thrown knife at ten feet and 1/4 of a chance to cause serious bodily injury with a slashing strike, if they were within 10 ft.

Hell, the cops get paid to take those odds. Who cares if jr grows up fatherless, dad should have just picked a different job. Besides, the dickhead cops probably gave the guy the ****ing tent, out of boredom and bloodlust

You're clearly way biased or didn't even watch the video. He already AGREED to come down just BEFORE they set off the flash grenade, in which case he FREAKS OUT, pulls out a knife, and RUNS IN THE OTHER DIRECTION after which they gun him down with assault rifles. There is no justice there.

It's also hilarious that you guys bring up the "he didn't drop the knives" after he was you know.. paralyzed and shortly DEAD. It takes more than bean bags and a dog to force a dead man to drop something.