Royals On a glorious night for Royals, Ned Yost dumps on fans - Page 2

Deberg_1990 · 08-27-2014, 10:29 AM

Probably been discussed in other threads, but I thought this was deserving of its own.

Back in the training room, Danny Duffy is fixated on the television as a ninth inning that feels more important than most begins. The Royals need two runs to win. They have scored two runs in their last 28 innings. The Twins have called on their All-Star closer, the one with a biting fastball and diving slider. These are the times when only the invested believe.

“How about a bloop and a blast?” one of the trainers asks Duffy.

Out in the dugout, the manager and a coach are talking strategy. There are far too many games left for anyone to freak out one way or the other, but this is starting to have the familiar feel of one of those monsters coming out from around the corner. The Royals worked so hard to get here, first place, playoff dreams coming into focus. Alcides Escobar digs in. Alex Gordon stands in the on-deck circle. The bat boy — a high school kid who hardly ever says a word — turns around to the coaches.

“Esky’s going to get a hit and Gordo’s taking him into the fountains,” he says.

The best thing about the best moment in baseball is that, sometimes, it really does happen like in the movies. Escobar bloops a single. Gordon blasts a slider over the right field wall. The Royals win 2-1, this increasingly sepia season taking its first real slow-motion, grab-your-buddy-and-kiss-his-cheek moment with a walk-off home run. The Royals remain in first place. It might be the best moment of Gordon’s All-Star career. Afterward, he’ll do an interview on national TV and then spread his arms and smile as Sal Perez dumps yellow Gatorade over his head.

“I was waiting for him,” Gordon says. “I figured, why not?”

It’s the most dramatic win of a spectacular-so-far season, the kind of moment we’ll remember in five weeks if this thing heads into the playoffs — and then, dang-it if manager Ned Yost didn’t take away from the whole thing with a clumsy, misguided, insulting and out-of-touch whine about only 13,847 people showing up on a school and work night with temperatures into the 90s.

First came the sarcasm.

“I mean, what, 13,000 people got to see a great game?” he said in his post-game news conference.

Then a few questions later came the rant that he should spend Wednesday afternoon walking back and apologizing for.

He was asked if he expected more people at the game, and let’s include his whole answer so he can’t claim to be misquoted, or taken out of context:

“We’re in a pennant race, yeah. We’ve been working on trying to build this team for the last three or four years to put ourselves in a position where we can contend for a championship. And not only the division, but we want to contend for a world championship. It’s really, really important we have our fans behind us at the stadium.

“I know it’s a school night. But I’ve been through this before in Atlanta (when the Braves first made the playoffs) in ‘91, where it didn’t matter what night it was, that place was packed at the end of August and September. The fans really got into it.

“I know there’s different things you can do. You can watch it on the Internet. You can watch it on TV. But there’s a real need for our fans to be a part of this. We had a great crowd last night, and I was kind of hoping we’d have another great crowd tonight, and we really didn’t.

“They’re a big part of our success, especially at home. Because the electricity they provide, the energy they provide, helps you get through games like this. You know? We’ve been working hard to make our fans happy and make our fans proud for a lot of years, and we’d like them out here to enjoy a night like this with us. Because this was a special night. This was a fun night. I just wish there could’ve been more out here to enjoy it with us.”

What a stupid thing to say, on so many levels, and I’m writing this on deadline so I’ll stick to the stupidest.

First, Yost is dead wrong. Laughably wrong. And this isn’t about his contention that the “electricity” of the home crowd helps a team that is now 4-6 in front of crowds more than 30,000 at home and just had its signature win of the season in front of fewer than 14,000. It’s not even about the fact that a manager fired six years ago with 12 games left and his team holding a playoff spot at least in part because he wasn’t handling pressure well might not want to pick unnecessary fights with fans after the best win of the season.

Yost must have forgotten that in 1991, when the Braves were going from worst to first they played a home game on Aug. 26, a Monday night, with first place potentially in the balance.

And 12,889 people showed up.

That’s not a typo. The next night, the Braves moved into first place in front of 15,806 people.

If a big-league manager is going to insult the fans who’ve supported his team long before he showed up he might want to get his facts right. Or even close.

Second, he must not understand how silly and out of touch he sounds when he talks about “trying to build this team for the last three or four years.”

Three or four years?

Many of the people who spent their money and time to watch Yost’s team on Tuesday night have been around for 10 years. Twenty. Twenty-five. And only the ones old enough (and young enough, come to think of it) to remember 29 years ago have had their loyalty and passion repaid with even a sniff of a playoff appearance.

All due respect to Yost’s three or four years of hard work, but the fans he’s talking down to had their hearts broken long before he came here and will be here long after he’s gone.

Maybe he should give them some slack if a great five weeks of baseball hasn’t swayed a generation of stink just yet.

Look, you can understand where Yost is coming from. It has to be frustrating to be in first place and play in front of more empty seats than fans. But Yost is in good company here. Baltimore is a proud baseball town, and the first-place Orioles played in front of 16,406 on Tuesday night.

Yost wants the city behind him, and he should. His entire managing philosophy is about supporting his players, and maybe he sees this as a way of showing his players he believes in them. Maybe he simply thought he was making a genuine plea for fans to come out to the games, unaware of how it would come off.

But he picked the wrong occasion to make the wrong point

He talks all the time about he and his players being focused, about caring only about the things they can control. He didn’t live up to those words in the aftermath of his team’s most thrilling win of the season.

A shame, too. Because the fans will show up if the team keeps winning, no matter what the out-of-touch manager says about them.

To reach Sam Mellinger, call 816-234-4365, send email to smellinger@kcstar.com or follow on Twitter @mellinger. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com.

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WhawhaWhat · 08-27-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

BTW. He uses Atlanta as an example of fans that support their team. The Border Patrol had some numbers when Atlanta sucked and then became good. Atlanta didn't draw more than 15,000 even after they were in first place after years of suckage.

That's not true. Yes, were there some games in August and September in 1991 that had 15,000 or so but look at the attendance numbers and there are many, many games with attendance mid 20s to sold out at 51,000.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...e-scores.shtml

WhawhaWhat · 08-27-2014, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

They'd draw better crowds is they'd quit crapping in the bed in front of a full house. They pulled 30,000 plus on a Monday night for the Yankees and got thier shit pushed in 8-1. Was there any apologies from Edgar about THAT effort? Hell no.

To be fair, half of the fans at that game left happy.

kcjayhawks5 · 08-27-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Dog

Mellinger is a ****ing clown. Yost didn't "dump" on anyone.

He definitely took a dump on the fans. **** Yost. How about winning when 30,000+ fans come to the big games. How about beating the Yankees 2 nights ago instead of laying a brick shit in front of everyone. Yost is a moron.

BWillie · 08-27-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

They'd draw better crowds is they'd quit crapping in the bed in front of a full house. They pulled 30,000 plus on a Monday night for the Yankees and got thier shit pushed in 8-1. Was there any apologies from Edgar about THAT effort? Hell no.

That's only because they were playing the Yankees and it was Jeter's last stand. So you not only got the Yankee fan, but you got the baseball fan who just wanted to see Jeter one last time.

And you got to be shitting me about the effort and that nobody came because they lost to the Yankees. If that is the case, that is even more embarrassing. You don't win every god damned game. You lost two in a row, big effing deal. This team has been nails and THE BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL since the ASG. GTFO with that shit.

BWillie · 08-27-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kcjayhawks5

He definitely took a dump on the fans. **** Yost. How about winning when 30,000+ fans come to the big games. How about beating the Yankees 2 nights ago instead of laying a brick shit in front of everyone. Yost is a moron.

Not at all. He's doing his job IMO. My hat goes off to him, if you are a leader of a team, and 12.8k ****ing fans show up to watch a first place team in the end of August, you bet your ass you say something about it and try to incite some sort of change and at least make the city aware that they dropped the ball. Lets be honest, they did.

**wazu** · 08-27-2014, 11:24 AM

Ned Yost can take a seat right next to Eric Winston.

**Bearcat** · 08-27-2014, 11:34 AM

This is why we get uninteresting canned responses during interviews. Someone actually honestly speaks their mind and isn't even rude about it, and people make a huge deal out of it.

From a fan's perspective, I can see why people don't want to spend money to watch the Twins and Royals on a Tuesday night. But, I can see why it would bother him and the players though.

cosmo20002 · 08-27-2014, 11:41 AM

Coaches should generally

about fans, unless it is to praise them.

As long as fans are expected to pay for parking, tickets and expensive food, I don't think they have a right to bitch about who shows up, especially to a weekday game when most kids are back at school.

**gblowfish** · 08-27-2014, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

That's only because they were playing the Yankees and it was Jeter's last stand. So you not only got the Yankee fan, but you got the baseball fan who just wanted to see Jeter one last time.

And you got to be shitting me about the effort and that nobody came because they lost to the Yankees. If that is the case, that is even more embarrassing. You don't win every god damned game. You lost two in a row, big effing deal. This team has been nails and THE BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL since the ASG. GTFO with that shit.

If you check their home record for how they have fared in front of big crowds this year, they have an overwhelming losing record. I'll have to go find that stat, but it's ugly. So generally the smaller the crowd, the better they play. Sorry, but that's been a fact this year.

**gblowfish** · 08-27-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

To be fair, half of the fans at that game left happy.

I'd say more like 3/4. Glad I didn't have to be there in person for that beat down. Embarrassing.

BWillie · 08-27-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

If you check their home record for how they have fared in front of big crowds this year, they have an overwhelming losing record. I'll have to go find that stat, but it's ugly. So generally the smaller the crowd, the better they play. Sorry, but that's been a fact this year.

And this is not statistically significant at all. A stat like this is not going to converge in this sample size. If this would be a sample of 200 games, well maybe you have something. But this is like saying Billy Butler bats .500 on Mondays in which also aired a new episode of American Idol, and only during 7:10 PM starts, after he pets his cat before the game.

Lex Luthor · 08-27-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

That's not true. Yes, were there some games in August and September in 1991 that had 15,000 or so but look at the attendance numbers and there are many, many games with attendance mid 20s to sold out at 51,000.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...e-scores.shtml

You're making Mellinger's point for him. The Braves had all of those sellouts AFTER some sustained success for a few years, not IMMEDIATELY. Use the same standard when you measure the loyalty of Royals fans.

**kysirsoze** · 08-27-2014, 12:17 PM

I can't ****ing believe people are in here defending Ned Yost. I don't hate the guy or anything, but calling out fans during the first playoff run of it's type in 30 years? What a ****ing asshat. Alex Gordon should have been the story last night, but Yost is such an incompetent dipshit when it comes to media interaction, he still had to blow it.

Calling out the fans is never called for, especially when attendance dips a little on a Tuesday right after school starts.

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Originally Posted by wazu

Ned Yost can take a seat right next to Eric Winston.

THIS

BWillie · 08-27-2014, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

I can't ****ing believe people are in here defending Ned Yost. I don't hate the guy or anything, but calling out fans during the first playoff run of it's type in 30 years? What a ****ing asshat. Alex Gordon should have been the story last night, but Yost is such an incompetent dipshit when it comes to media interaction, he still had to blow it.

Calling out the fans is never called for, especially when attendance dips a little on a Tuesday right after school starts.

THIS

Unreal, simply unreal. 12.8k fans show up, and nobody feels this is any problem whatsoever. To a first place team at the end of August.

**gblowfish** · 08-27-2014, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

And this is not statistically significant at all. A stat like this is not going to converge in this sample size. If this would be a sample of 200 games, well maybe you have something. But this is like saying Billy Butler bats .500 on Mondays in which also aired a new episode of American Idol, and only during 7:10 PM starts, after he pets his cat before the game.

That's probably the most convoluted thing I've seen written on the CP in six months. And that's saying something. Bravo!

What the **** are you talking about?

08-27-2014, 10:29 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3844454	On a glorious night for Royals, Ned Yost dumps on fans Probably been discussed in other threads, but I thought this was deserving of its own. Back in the training room, Danny Duffy is fixated on the television as a ninth inning that feels more important than most begins. The Royals need two runs to win. They have scored two runs in their last 28 innings. The Twins have called on their All-Star closer, the one with a biting fastball and diving slider. These are the times when only the invested believe. “How about a bloop and a blast?” one of the trainers asks Duffy. Out in the dugout, the manager and a coach are talking strategy. There are far too many games left for anyone to freak out one way or the other, but this is starting to have the familiar feel of one of those monsters coming out from around the corner. The Royals worked so hard to get here, first place, playoff dreams coming into focus. Alcides Escobar digs in. Alex Gordon stands in the on-deck circle. The bat boy — a high school kid who hardly ever says a word — turns around to the coaches. “Esky’s going to get a hit and Gordo’s taking him into the fountains,” he says. The best thing about the best moment in baseball is that, sometimes, it really does happen like in the movies. Escobar bloops a single. Gordon blasts a slider over the right field wall. The Royals win 2-1, this increasingly sepia season taking its first real slow-motion, grab-your-buddy-and-kiss-his-cheek moment with a walk-off home run. The Royals remain in first place. It might be the best moment of Gordon’s All-Star career. Afterward, he’ll do an interview on national TV and then spread his arms and smile as Sal Perez dumps yellow Gatorade over his head. “I was waiting for him,” Gordon says. “I figured, why not?” It’s the most dramatic win of a spectacular-so-far season, the kind of moment we’ll remember in five weeks if this thing heads into the playoffs — and then, dang-it if manager Ned Yost didn’t take away from the whole thing with a clumsy, misguided, insulting and out-of-touch whine about only 13,847 people showing up on a school and work night with temperatures into the 90s. First came the sarcasm. “I mean, what, 13,000 people got to see a great game?” he said in his post-game news conference. Then a few questions later came the rant that he should spend Wednesday afternoon walking back and apologizing for. He was asked if he expected more people at the game, and let’s include his whole answer so he can’t claim to be misquoted, or taken out of context: “We’re in a pennant race, yeah. We’ve been working on trying to build this team for the last three or four years to put ourselves in a position where we can contend for a championship. And not only the division, but we want to contend for a world championship. It’s really, really important we have our fans behind us at the stadium. “I know it’s a school night. But I’ve been through this before in Atlanta (when the Braves first made the playoffs) in ‘91, where it didn’t matter what night it was, that place was packed at the end of August and September. The fans really got into it. “I know there’s different things you can do. You can watch it on the Internet. You can watch it on TV. But there’s a real need for our fans to be a part of this. We had a great crowd last night, and I was kind of hoping we’d have another great crowd tonight, and we really didn’t. “They’re a big part of our success, especially at home. Because the electricity they provide, the energy they provide, helps you get through games like this. You know? We’ve been working hard to make our fans happy and make our fans proud for a lot of years, and we’d like them out here to enjoy a night like this with us. Because this was a special night. This was a fun night. I just wish there could’ve been more out here to enjoy it with us.” What a stupid thing to say, on so many levels, and I’m writing this on deadline so I’ll stick to the stupidest. First, Yost is dead wrong. Laughably wrong. And this isn’t about his contention that the “electricity” of the home crowd helps a team that is now 4-6 in front of crowds more than 30,000 at home and just had its signature win of the season in front of fewer than 14,000. It’s not even about the fact that a manager fired six years ago with 12 games left and his team holding a playoff spot at least in part because he wasn’t handling pressure well might not want to pick unnecessary fights with fans after the best win of the season. Yost must have forgotten that in 1991, when the Braves were going from worst to first they played a home game on Aug. 26, a Monday night, with first place potentially in the balance. And 12,889 people showed up. That’s not a typo. The next night, the Braves moved into first place in front of 15,806 people. If a big-league manager is going to insult the fans who’ve supported his team long before he showed up he might want to get his facts right. Or even close. Second, he must not understand how silly and out of touch he sounds when he talks about “trying to build this team for the last three or four years.” Three or four years? Many of the people who spent their money and time to watch Yost’s team on Tuesday night have been around for 10 years. Twenty. Twenty-five. And only the ones old enough (and young enough, come to think of it) to remember 29 years ago have had their loyalty and passion repaid with even a sniff of a playoff appearance. All due respect to Yost’s three or four years of hard work, but the fans he’s talking down to had their hearts broken long before he came here and will be here long after he’s gone. Maybe he should give them some slack if a great five weeks of baseball hasn’t swayed a generation of stink just yet. Look, you can understand where Yost is coming from. It has to be frustrating to be in first place and play in front of more empty seats than fans. But Yost is in good company here. Baltimore is a proud baseball town, and the first-place Orioles played in front of 16,406 on Tuesday night. Yost wants the city behind him, and he should. His entire managing philosophy is about supporting his players, and maybe he sees this as a way of showing his players he believes in them. Maybe he simply thought he was making a genuine plea for fans to come out to the games, unaware of how it would come off. But he picked the wrong occasion to make the wrong point He talks all the time about he and his players being focused, about caring only about the things they can control. He didn’t live up to those words in the aftermath of his team’s most thrilling win of the season. A shame, too. Because the fans will show up if the team keeps winning, no matter what the out-of-touch manager says about them. To reach Sam Mellinger, call 816-234-4365, send email to smellinger@kcstar.com or follow on Twitter @mellinger. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy
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08-27-2014, 11:24 AM	#21
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $2032295 VARSITY	Ned Yost can take a seat right next to Eric Winston.
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08-27-2014, 11:34 AM	#22
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $2644931	This is why we get uninteresting canned responses during interviews. Someone actually honestly speaks their mind and isn't even rude about it, and people make a huge deal out of it. From a fan's perspective, I can see why people don't want to spend money to watch the Twins and Royals on a Tuesday night. But, I can see why it would bother him and the players though. __________________
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08-27-2014, 11:41 AM	#23
cosmo20002 Debunking your bullshit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: KC area Casino cash: $5050315	Coaches should generally about fans, unless it is to praise them. As long as fans are expected to pay for parking, tickets and expensive food, I don't think they have a right to bitch about who shows up, especially to a weekday game when most kids are back at school.
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