Peter King is an idiot.

joesomebody · 11-07-2005, 11:57 PM

I in no way like Tomlinson or think hes the best player in football, I do kind of like Tiki, but all of this aside, I thought this was one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ek9/index.html

STAT OF THE WEEK

It's not meant as a knock on LaDainian Tomlinson, especially in light of his four-touchdown performance at the Meadowlands that allowed the Chargers to stay in the AFC pennant race against the Jets. But I find it funny that Tomlinson, without discussion, is proclaimed the best player in football. I love the guy, and there's a good chance he's the best running back in football. But let's not eliminate the discussion. For instance, why isn't Tiki Barber in the discussion, if Tomlinson is?

Stats of Tomlinson and Barber since the start of 2004:

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Total yards over the past year and a half: Barber 3,008, Tomlinson 2,875.
Again, I'm not saying Barber's better. I'm saying: Why isn't there at least a discussion about it?

Ok... so their yards are similar, Barber even has 135 or so more... but look at the touchdowns... 18 to 30... Yet King completely ignores the number one factor in any sport except golf, points!

So Barber has 135 more yards, say the average touchdown drive is 60 yards, and I'm completely guessing, even the yards Barber has on LT is at most 2 touchdowns for the team.

Tomlinson has damn near twice as many touchdowns, and King wants to say the two are comparable???

Eleazar · 11-08-2005, 12:01 AM

Is there anyone out there who would rather have Barber than Tomlinson?

This doesn't make much sense.

**cdcox** · 11-08-2005, 12:03 AM

Hey Peter King 30 >> 18.

**Dunit35** · 11-08-2005, 01:10 AM

Barber has less carries than LT and more rushing yards. Didnt know that, but the main thing is that neither team can do anything in the playoffs. Well maybe the Giants will this year.

HolmeZz · 11-08-2005, 01:13 AM

If you're judging an RB based on stats, the fact that Barber has 100 more yards on 60 fewer carries than LT is more impressive than a 30 to 18 TD differential. That's just me though.

But Tomlinson's far and away the best back in the league. Barber's not on his level.

**Dunit35** · 11-08-2005, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

If you're judging an RB based on stats, the fact that Barber has 100 more yards on 60 fewer carries than LT is more impressive than a 30 to 18 TD differential. That's just me though.

But Tomlinson's far and away the best back in the league. Barber's not on his level.

The only back on LT's level is by far, Ronnie Cruz.

joesomebody · 11-08-2005, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

If you're judging an RB based on stats, the fact that Barber has 100 more yards on 60 fewer carries than LT is more impressive than a 30 to 18 TD differential. That's just me though.

But Tomlinson's far and away the best back in the league. Barber's not on his level.

Yeah, theres a lot of ways to look at it I guess, 4.8 to 4.1 yard average still doesn't come close to a difference of 72 points scored in my opinion.

When it all comes down to it, this is a game of points. 72 is a lot of points in football.

And looking at it from your perspective, 0.7 yards can be the difference in a game too, just look at the half a yard it took for the Chiefs to win yesterday.

HolmeZz · 11-08-2005, 01:21 AM

TDs aren't really a great way to gauge how talented a back is. Usually it says more about the offense the RB plays in and San Diego's offense is far superior to the Giants.

SoCalBronco · 11-08-2005, 01:23 AM

Peter King is an idiot?

You mean im not the only reader who doesnt give a shit about his daughter's stupid softball team and his "coffeenerdness" insights?

Valiant · 11-08-2005, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

TDs aren't really a great way to gauge how talented a back is. Usually it says more about the offense the RB plays in and San Diego's offense is far superior to the Giants.

Hmm, that was the reason why Gates got the nod over Gonzo last year, even though Gonzo had more catches and more yards...

tk13 · 11-08-2005, 01:34 AM

Barber would have more touchdowns if they never tried to put Brandon Jacobs in for him at the goal line.

Miles · 11-08-2005, 01:35 AM

Don't think comparing stats from Barber's career year against LT's when he was banged up for much of last year says much.

kcxiv · 11-08-2005, 02:14 AM

Once Tiki figured out his fumbling problem, imo he became and *elite* back. Tomlinson is better, but Tiki isnt to far behind.

Abba-Dabba · 11-08-2005, 02:28 AM

Tomlinson is far and away the better back. Quit deluding yourself from the obvious.

jspchief · 11-08-2005, 08:01 AM

Nice cherry-picked stats from Peter King.

Why did he only look at a 24 game sample? Why not go back to the start of LT2's career?

11-07-2005, 11:57 PM
joesomebody Waiting to be voted off Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Casino cash: $9994900	Peter King is an idiot. I in no way like Tomlinson or think hes the best player in football, I do kind of like Tiki, but all of this aside, I thought this was one of the stupidest things I've ever read. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ek9/index.html STAT OF THE WEEK It's not meant as a knock on LaDainian Tomlinson, especially in light of his four-touchdown performance at the Meadowlands that allowed the Chargers to stay in the AFC pennant race against the Jets. But I find it funny that Tomlinson, without discussion, is proclaimed the best player in football. I love the guy, and there's a good chance he's the best running back in football. But let's not eliminate the discussion. For instance, why isn't Tiki Barber in the discussion, if Tomlinson is? Stats of Tomlinson and Barber since the start of 2004: rel="Lightbox"?attachmentid=48957&stc=1" border="0" alt="" class="tcattdimgresizer" onload="NcodeImageResizer.createOn(this);" /> Total yards over the past year and a half: Barber 3,008, Tomlinson 2,875. Again, I'm not saying Barber's better. I'm saying: Why isn't there at least a discussion about it? Ok... so their yards are similar, Barber even has 135 or so more... but look at the touchdowns... 18 to 30... Yet King completely ignores the number one factor in any sport except golf, points! So Barber has 135 more yards, say the average touchdown drive is 60 yards, and I'm completely guessing, even the yards Barber has on LT is at most 2 touchdowns for the team. Tomlinson has damn near twice as many touchdowns, and King wants to say the two are comparable???
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11-08-2005, 12:01 AM	#2
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Is there anyone out there who would rather have Barber than Tomlinson? This doesn't make much sense.
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11-08-2005, 12:03 AM	#3
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Dunit35 Keepin it Real Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Oklahoma Casino cash: $1557045	Barber has less carries than LT and more rushing yards. Didnt know that, but the main thing is that neither team can do anything in the playoffs. Well maybe the Giants will this year.
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HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	If you're judging an RB based on stats, the fact that Barber has 100 more yards on 60 fewer carries than LT is more impressive than a 30 to 18 TD differential. That's just me though. But Tomlinson's far and away the best back in the league. Barber's not on his level.
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HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	TDs aren't really a great way to gauge how talented a back is. Usually it says more about the offense the RB plays in and San Diego's offense is far superior to the Giants.
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SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Arcadia, CA Casino cash: $10006115	Peter King is an idiot? You mean im not the only reader who doesnt give a shit about his daughter's stupid softball team and his "coffeenerdness" insights?
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2002500	Barber would have more touchdowns if they never tried to put Brandon Jacobs in for him at the goal line.
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Miles MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $1682400	Don't think comparing stats from Barber's career year against LT's when he was banged up for much of last year says much.
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Abba-Dabba MVP Join Date: May 2001 Casino cash: $4502970	Tomlinson is far and away the better back. Quit deluding yourself from the obvious.
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11-08-2005, 08:01 AM	#15
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Nice cherry-picked stats from Peter King. Why did he only look at a 24 game sample? Why not go back to the start of LT2's career? __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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