A Breakdown of Dee Ford

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-11-2014, 12:20 PM

A better pick than Fisher.

**Bowser** · 07-11-2014, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

A better pick than Fisher.

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Saccopoo · 07-12-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

A better pick than Fisher.

No ****ing way.

Dee Ford was a reach at that point in the draft. Fisher was generally regarded as one of the top two/three guys in his draft class by just about everyone.

The guy has very limited numbers/statistics to back up his pass rush potential and looks to be drafted on physical numbers alone.

I think he's more Vernon Gholston than anything at this point.

I think that the Chiefs/Dorsey got caught up in his numbers versus actual production. I would have preferred guys like Kyle Van Noy or Trevor Reilly over Dee Ford straight up due to their versatility and college production.

Dee Ford is a special teamer/situational pass rusher at this point at best. They could have picked up the best guard prospect in the draft in either Xavier S'ua-Filo or Gabe Jackson and filled a major hole on the offensive line rather than wasting the pick on a guy who is going to struggle finding the field on regular downs.

I think it was a ****ed up pick.

Discuss Thrower · 07-12-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No ****ing way.

Dee Ford was a reach at that point in the draft. Fisher was generally regarded as one of the top two/three guys in his draft class by just about everyone.

The guy has very limited numbers/statistics to back up his pass rush potential and looks to be drafted on physical numbers alone.

I think he's more Vernon Gholston than anything at this point.

I think that the Chiefs/Dorsey got caught up in his numbers versus actual production. I would have preferred guys like Kyle Van Noy or Trevor Reilly over Dee Ford straight up due to their versatility and college production.

Dee Ford is a special teamer/situational pass rusher at this point at best. They could have picked up the best guard prospect in the draft in either Xavier S'ua-Filo or Gabe Jackson and filled a major hole on the offensive line rather than wasting the pick on a guy who is going to struggle finding the field on regular downs.

I think it was a ****ed up pick.

Trololololol

**Baby Lee** · 07-12-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Trololololol

Sack'opoohpooh spends his down time on the eraser end of mid-80s school kids' #2 pencils. If you spin the pencil, his hair goes CRAZY!!

Saccopoo · 07-13-2014, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Trololololol

Not even close.

Totally being serious.

I don't ****ing troll the Draft Planet.

It's serious football here.

Discussions and shit like that.

But go **** your sister for suggesting that I'd do that.

Go **** your grandmother and aunt as well.

**** you.

And the fruit you were named after.

RunKC · 07-13-2014, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Not even close.

Totally being serious.

I don't ****ing troll the Draft Planet.

It's serious football here.

Discussions and shit like that.

But go **** your sister for suggesting that I'd do that.

Go **** your grandmother and aunt as well.

**** you.

And the fruit you were named after.

You don't troll but yet you make stupid posts saying that Dee Ford is a special teams only kinda player because you hate him.

You are either trolling or milkman is right about you.

Saccopoo · 07-13-2014, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

You don't troll but yet you make stupid posts saying that Dee Ford is a special teams only kinda player because you hate him.

You are either trolling or milkman is right about you.

I don't hate Dee Ford. I don't even know the guy.

However, I loathe the pick.

The guy didn't produce in college despite his prodigious athletic talents. He's a major work in progress that may or may not pan out. That's not the guy you take in the first round when you have numerous needs at other positions (WR/OL/DB/ILB/etc.) I know that they need depth at the OLB position, but Ford is a one trick pony that didn't really do that one trick very well.

planetdoc · 07-13-2014, 02:21 PM

Dee Ford is a short armed speed rusher. That being said, at least initially with the chiefs, he wont be asked to be an every down player. They will maximize his abilities by using him as a pass rush specialist (i.e. his 1 trick). He is a boom/bust prospect since his major strength is timing the snap count. All it takes is a handful of false start penalties in a game to neutralize him.

Gabe Jackson is a good player. He has great tape, but a poor (IMO) combine. In no way is a guard worth the chiefs pick. Pass rusher positional value > interior offensive lineman.

RunKC · 07-14-2014, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't hate Dee Ford. I don't even know the guy.

However, I loathe the pick.

The guy didn't produce in college despite his prodigious athletic talents. He's a major work in progress that may or may not pan out. That's not the guy you take in the first round when you have numerous needs at other positions (WR/OL/DB/ILB/etc.) I know that they need depth at the OLB position, but Ford is a one trick pony that didn't really do that one trick very well.

What the **** are you talking about? Ford had the best production of any pass rusher last year.
He single handedly owned in big games last year. Look at the TAMU game. He killed it. The national championship game he killed it. He killed it at the senior bowl. He had double digit sacks last year.

There was no WR or DB with the pick at that point. Don't even bring up Dennard and his slow ass who can't turn his hips well.

Bottom line is you have your favorites. 2 coaches who are very highly regarded in the NFL today wanted him in the first rd and 1 coach got him.

I'm gonna trust they know what they are doing over you. They have he success to back it up.

Halfcan · 07-14-2014, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't hate Dee Ford. I don't even know the guy.

However, I loathe the pick.

The guy didn't produce in college despite his prodigious athletic talents. He's a major work in progress that may or may not pan out. That's not the guy you take in the first round when you have numerous needs at other positions (WR/OL/DB/ILB/etc.) I know that they need depth at the OLB position, but Ford is a one trick pony that didn't really do that one trick very well.

You must have missed the second half of the season last year when the Chiefs managed zero pass rush. To call Ford a backup-must mean that we will have no injuries-which would be nice. Based on last season-he will get a lot of playing time. A team can never have too many pass rushers.

**RealSNR** · 07-12-2014, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No ****ing way.

Dee Ford was a reach at that point in the draft. Fisher was generally regarded as one of the top two/three guys in his draft class by just about everyone.

The guy has very limited numbers/statistics to back up his pass rush potential and looks to be drafted on physical numbers alone.

I think he's more Vernon Gholston than anything at this point.

I think that the Chiefs/Dorsey got caught up in his numbers versus actual production. I would have preferred guys like Kyle Van Noy or Trevor Reilly over Dee Ford straight up due to their versatility and college production.

Dee Ford is a special teamer/situational pass rusher at this point at best. They could have picked up the best guard prospect in the draft in either Xavier S'ua-Filo or Gabe Jackson and filled a major hole on the offensive line rather than wasting the pick on a guy who is going to struggle finding the field on regular downs.

I think it was a ****ed up pick.

Do you know how many guys with upside are competing for the starting RG spot?

A **** ton. One of them is bound to shake out and do a decent job for us.

The only thing worse than wasting a 1st rounder on interior linemen is wasting a 1st rounder on interior linemen and creating a logjam at the ****ing position.

It's like spending anything more than a 7th round pick on a kicker or punter.

Saccopoo · 07-13-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Do you know how many guys with upside are competing for the starting RG spot?

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One of them is bound to shake out and do a decent job for us.

I sincerely doubt it.

They are a bunch of shitstains and it's going to be a problem all season long.

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The only thing worse than wasting a 1st rounder on interior linemen is wasting a 1st rounder on interior linemen and creating a logjam at the ****ing position.

It's like spending anything more than a 7th round pick on a kicker or punter.

Or a special teams player...

just like Dee Ford is going to be/is.

**RealSNR** · 07-13-2014, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

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I sincerely doubt it.

They are a bunch of shitstains and it's going to be a problem all season long.

Or a special teams player...

just like Dee Ford is going to be/is.

I'll take Geoff Schwartz-adequate production from my RG, thank you.

We've got 3 or 4 guys competing for that starting RG spot, and I'm fairly confident we can get one of them to be adequate. And that's all we should expect and want, really.

Or we can spend valuable top-end draft stock on the worthless ****ing position. That's what you apparently want.

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07-13-2014, 02:21 PM	#9
planetdoc Veteran Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $9995865	Dee Ford is a short armed speed rusher. That being said, at least initially with the chiefs, he wont be asked to be an every down player. They will maximize his abilities by using him as a pass rush specialist (i.e. his 1 trick). He is a boom/bust prospect since his major strength is timing the snap count. All it takes is a handful of false start penalties in a game to neutralize him. Gabe Jackson is a good player. He has great tape, but a poor (IMO) combine. In no way is a guard worth the chiefs pick. Pass rusher positional value > interior offensive lineman.
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