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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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htismaqe · 02-16-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I didn't realize that it was the defense's fault that Geno had below average performances against Texas Tech, Kansas State, Syracuse and Oklahoma State.

You forgot Oklahoma.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I didn't realize that it was the defense's fault that Geno had below average performances against Texas Tech, Kansas State, Syracuse and Oklahoma State.

OSU was a subpar game? Ok.

**** it, you win. I'm tired of arguing with you about it. You like Foles, a pure air raid, one read, shotgun, non accurate guy in college, 80% shotgun guy in the NFL, but you hate Geno. It's your opinion and thats cool.

htismaqe · 02-16-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

OSU was a subpar game? Ok.

**** it, you win. I'm tired of arguing with you about it. You like Foles, a pure air raid, one read, shotgun, non accurate guy in college, 80% shotgun guy in the NFL, but you hate Geno. It's your opinion and thats cool.

He likes Foles because Reid drafted him.

He's all in.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-16-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I guess I'm not surprised by this. I put little stock into Kiper and even less into McShay... but I do think these guys are ripping the QB class because they're all hearing terrible things from scouts/personnel people. I don't think it's entirely their own opinion.

The big difference between these guys and ***** is they've 1) always put a high importance on the QB position and 2) have never been afraid to take one high in the draft. I feel confident that if they pass at 1, it'll be because they truly do not like anyone at that pick, and not some misguided ego trip to prove they're football geniuses.

But I've been wrong before. And the reality is there are questions about this class. But there will also be at least one or two guys who end up being underrated and have success. A Dalton, Kaepernick, Brees, Wilson, Rodgers... etc.

tk13 again proving why he's in the inner circle. This is pretty much exactly where I'm at. I'll gag, but it is what it is.

Three7s · 02-16-2013, 07:54 PM

No idea why everyone is crying about not drafting a QB again. It's nothing new with this franchise.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He likes Foles because Reid drafted him.

He's all in.

I guess. At this point, I'm just broken about the whole thing. I'm just going to sit back and see what they do. I'm not going to argue about it anymore.

If they want to go with Foles. Fine. Geno? Fine. Star? Fine.

**RealSNR** · 02-16-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

If push comes to shove, I really hope we don't take Star, because I can't stomach that shit after 4 years of Tyson pattycake Jackson.

Take Milliner.

I thought about Milliner and a crack whore trade down for ANYTHING type deal, but that makes no sense either. Compared to other CBs in past drafts who were the first in their position off the board, Milliner isn't that great. And we'd be selecting him in the freaking top 5 possibly after a trade down.

We'd be sacrificing a **** ton of value to because drafting a QB at #1 means sacrificing draft value in the eyes of Dorsey.

Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because...

RunKC · 02-16-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Who?

Outside of Donovan McNabb, who was the #2 overall pick, who was GREAT under him?

Name them.

Jeff Garcia won 6 of 8 games and led them to the playoffs.

Mike Vick had the best year passing of his career under Reid.

Kevin Kolb looked so good that a team coughed up a 2nd and a first rd CB to trade for him.

A 3rd round unpolished rookie QB looked solid on a team plagued with injuries all over the place.

**Bowser** · 02-16-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I didn't realize that it was the defense's fault that Geno had below average performances against Texas Tech, Kansas State, Syracuse and Oklahoma State.

Laughable. His "subpar" games are statistically above average for everyone else.

htismaqe · 02-16-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I guess. At this point, I'm just broken about the whole thing. I'm just going to sit back and see what they do. I'm not going to argue about it anymore.

If they want to go with Foles. Fine. Geno? Fine. Star? Fine.

I'm about done arguing about it too.

I'm just not gonna accept it.

Like I said, it would be one thing if it were a novel concept.

But 31 other teams have tried it, some of them FIVE OR SIX times, since the Chiefs last tried it.

I'm not gonna spend my life rooting for a team that won't even TRY.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Laughable. His "subpar" games are statistically above average for everyone else.

He wasn't good against Tech, pressed against KSU and wasn't good, and really wasn't good against Syracuse. Had some good moments but overall wasnt' good. He said so himself that it's not the system etc it's on him.

htismaqe · 02-16-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Jeff Garcia won 6 of 8 games and led them to the playoffs.

Mike Vick had the best year passing of his career under Reid.

Kevin Kolb looked so good that a team coughed up a 2nd and a first rd CB to trade for him.

A 3rd round unpolished rookie QB looked solid on a team plagued with injuries all over the place.

In other words, he's made some really shitty tasting chicken salad out of chicken shit.

There isn't a GREAT (your words) QB on that list.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-16-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

If push comes to shove, I really hope we don't take Star, because I can't stomach that shit after 4 years of Tyson pattycake Jackson.

Take Milliner.

Milliner is the ONLY non QB I'd be happy with. And by happy, I mean I wouldn't completely choke on my own vomit.

**Bowser** · 02-16-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He wasn't good against Tech, pressed against KSU and wasn't good, and really wasn't good against Syracuse. Had some good moments but overall wasnt' good. He said so himself that it's not the system etc it's on him.

Shit, his game against Syracuse was better than anything the Chiefs had from the position last year, and that game was in possibly the worst conditions a QB could hope for.

That he shoulders the blame should be viewed as a positive as well, as far as I'm concerned.

O.city · 02-16-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm about done arguing about it too.

I'm just not gonna accept it.

Like I said, it would be one thing if it were a novel concept.

But 31 other teams have tried it, some of them FIVE OR SIX times, since the Chiefs last tried it.

I'm not gonna spend my life rooting for a team that won't even TRY.

Well, just because other teams have done it, doesn't mean it's worked for them.

I want them to try, like you, but like I said, I'm not going to get all worked up over it anymore. I've got a baby on the way, trying to find a job soon (maybe buying a practice), etc.

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2029611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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