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rico · 10-06-2013, 11:01 PM

As I am sure many of y'all already know, a spinoff of "Breaking Bad" titled "Better Call Saul" will be airing in 2014. This is going to be a prequel to Breaking Bad and will be based on the character of Saul Goodman from "Breaking Bad."

I, for one, will be watching. I'm sure the majority of all of you other "Breaking Bad" fans will be as well. Might as well get the discussion going sooner rather than later.

So... what are your hopes, expectations and/or concerns with the show? Here are some of mine:

Hopes: I hope to see Saul do his thing in the courtroom. I hope to see strong, unique supporting characters. I hope to see Breaking Bad foreshadowing. I hope he has an intriguing paralegal and/or assistant. I hope to see Breaking Bad characters such as Fring, Mike, etc...whoever. I hope the show kicks ass.

Expectations: I don't expect it to be as good as "Breaking Bad" (because nothing else is, really), but I expect it to be good since Vince Gilligan is writing. I somewhat expect it to have an even balance of comedy and drama...since Saul undeniably provides a substantial amount of comedic relief in "Breaking Bad." I expect to see "courtroom Saul." I expect the "Breaking Bad" references and character cameos to be less than what I hope. If it isn't even a fraction as good as "Breaking Bad," I expect it to be better than 95% of everything else on TV, since there is some shitty shit on TV these days.

Concerns: I'd be a liar if I were to say that I didn't think this show has potential of flopping and certainly failing to meet the presumed high expectations of the audience. Don't get me wrong, I think it will be good... but I think it COULD suck if not executed properly. My main concern is Saul ultimately proving himself to be a "little dab will do ya" type of character, which would lead to a show centered around his character not working out. I am hoping that the character of Saul will not be so over-used and constantly over the top, that he becomes annoying to me, thus ruining his character for me altogether... Not saying I think this will be how it goes down...just saying I think there is a CHANCE of this being the case, which prompts me to believe that a strong supporting cast is VITAL in terms of the amount of success/quality this show will accumulate. All in all, I don't think VG will steer us in an unfortunate direction though...I think they'll pull it off.

Thoughts?

DISCUS!!!!

Jamie · 07-23-2022, 01:12 AM

I can't believe they would end the show without having another scene between Jimmy and Kim. The show is as much about their relationship as what happens to Saul at this point.

Also I think Jimmy will have a moment where he finally admits the truth about himself, like Walt's "I did it for me" scene, or like Kim in the last episode. And if so, that scene has to be with Kim.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-23-2022, 09:36 AM

Rhea seehorn and bob odenkirk have hinted that the ending is going to pack a huge punch. And that actions have consequences. I think there is still something big coming and Kim is really the only character left to do it with. Everyone already knows Saul will break bad and then gets punished into paranoid obscurity. There’s gotta be something bigger than that. Becoming estranged with Kim seems way too soft for gilligan. She is largely responsible for Howard’s death and gilligan doesn’t usually let characters off the hook that easily.

RunKC · 07-24-2022, 08:46 AM

Could just be in the moment but I really do think BCS is better than BB. The characters are way better.

Jimmy is way better than Walt. Honestly Walt just got annoying with his pride and ego causing tantrums. Jimmy was erratic, fun and charismatic. He was a great character. Lalo obviously. He’s as good of a character as any in the BB universe. Hector was a significantly better character too.

Sure BB had Hank, but BCS had Nacho who I would argue is as good of a character.

Aside from that you get the same mix of key characters in both shows: Gus, Mike, Don Eladio, Bolsa, Cousins. Even Tuco is in there.

Writing was great for both but the characters in BCS reign supreme for me

RaidersOftheCellar · 07-25-2022, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Could just be in the moment but I really do think BCS is better than BB. The characters are way better.

Jimmy is way better than Walt. Honestly Walt just got annoying with his pride and ego causing tantrums. Jimmy was erratic, fun and charismatic. He was a great character. Lalo obviously. He’s as good of a character as any in the BB universe. Hector was a significantly better character too.

Sure BB had Hank, but BCS had Nacho who I would argue is as good of a character.

Aside from that you get the same mix of key characters in both shows: Gus, Mike, Don Eladio, Bolsa, Cousins. Even Tuco is in there.

Writing was great for both but the characters in BCS reign supreme for me

No mention of Aaron Paul?

I tend to favor BCS because I’m a big fan of Odenkirk and Saul’s schemes, but I’d say that BB was probably more consistently high-quality. Both are among the best series I’ve seen though.

Sure-Oz · 07-25-2022, 12:17 PM

I can't wait to rewatch BB after this series is done. Loved this show and thought it wasn't necessary when announced. Glad to be wrong.

Demonpenz · 07-25-2022, 10:15 PM

That was a fun episode

RunKC · 07-26-2022, 08:19 AM

That episode is exactly why BCS is better than BB. A slow burn “filler” episode is still fun as all hell bc Jimmy/Saul is a way better character than Walt.

The Jimmy scams are always fun to see and a big part of that is the writing. I’m sad that we only get three more weeks of this.

lcarus · 07-26-2022, 08:32 AM

It was cool to see Jerry/Garry/Larry/Terry. Saul pretending to give a shit about the Cornhuskers was great.

**BigRedChief** · 07-26-2022, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

That was a fun episode

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Originally Posted by RunKC

That episode is exactly why BCS is better than BB. A slow burn “filler” episode is still fun as all hell bc Jimmy/Saul is a way better character than Walt.

The Jimmy scams are always fun to see and a big part of that is the writing. I’m sad that we only get three more weeks of this.

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Originally Posted by lcarus

It was cool to see Jerry/Garry/Larry/Terry. Saul pretending to give a shit about the Cornhuskers was great.

I didn’t like this filler episode when we only have 3 episodes left to tell Jimmy’s story.

**Baby Lee** · 07-26-2022, 09:23 AM

cosmo20002 · 07-26-2022, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I didn’t like this filler episode when we only have 3 episodes left to tell Jimmy’s story.

Agree.
Plus the scheme/set up was overly elaborate and risky. And a bit much to accept that the entire thing hinged on the security guy eating with his back to the security monitors.

On a (I assume) meaningless side note--there is no Cottonwood Mall in Omaha. But there is a big Cottonwood Mall in Albuquerque. Odd choice by the writers there.

stumppy · 07-26-2022, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I didn’t like this filler episode when we only have 3 episodes left to tell Jimmy’s story.

I didn't much care for it. One thing that's bugging me in Jeffs' first appearance, when he recognized Jimmy as Saul Goodman, he came across as somewhat street smart. Not a 40 yr old, living with mommy, gullible, bumbling dumbass he did in this episode.

Jamie · 07-26-2022, 12:33 PM

I think this episode would have worked better if it was at the beginning of the season. It doesn't really give anything away, and the scene of Saul saying he's all alone and nobody would care if he died would have felt more interesting if we hadn't seen the breakup with Kim yet. How it is, it's still a good scene, but it's not telling us anything that's not obvious.

cosmo20002 · 07-26-2022, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stumppy

I didn't much care for it. One thing that's bugging me in Jeffs' first appearance, when he recognized Jimmy as Saul Goodman, he came across as somewhat street smart. Not a 40 yr old, living with mommy, gullible, bumbling dumbass he did in this episode.

Also, a different actor.

Apparently, they had to alter the shooting schedule when Odenkirk had a heart attack and the original actor was no longer available when needed. But yeah, the persona was very different as well.

TwistedChief · 07-26-2022, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Also, a different actor.

Apparently, they had to alter the shooting schedule when Odenkirk had a heart attack and the original actor was no longer available when needed. But yeah, the persona was very different as well.

Oh, yuck. That's a bad recast.

The original actor was in We Own The City - the David Simon show on HBO - and that was his conflict:
https://ew.com/tv/better-call-saul-jeff-role-recast/

The episode was good but I was having trouble understanding this character as he didn't look very familiar and was kinda a pathetic version of the original.

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Jamie Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Casino cash: $1468503	I can't believe they would end the show without having another scene between Jimmy and Kim. The show is as much about their relationship as what happens to Saul at this point. Also I think Jimmy will have a moment where he finally admits the truth about himself, like Walt's "I did it for me" scene, or like Kim in the last episode. And if so, that scene has to be with Kim.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2074497	Rhea seehorn and bob odenkirk have hinted that the ending is going to pack a huge punch. And that actions have consequences. I think there is still something big coming and Kim is really the only character left to do it with. Everyone already knows Saul will break bad and then gets punished into paranoid obscurity. There’s gotta be something bigger than that. Becoming estranged with Kim seems way too soft for gilligan. She is largely responsible for Howard’s death and gilligan doesn’t usually let characters off the hook that easily.
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07-24-2022, 08:46 AM	#2358
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2219611	Could just be in the moment but I really do think BCS is better than BB. The characters are way better. Jimmy is way better than Walt. Honestly Walt just got annoying with his pride and ego causing tantrums. Jimmy was erratic, fun and charismatic. He was a great character. Lalo obviously. He’s as good of a character as any in the BB universe. Hector was a significantly better character too. Sure BB had Hank, but BCS had Nacho who I would argue is as good of a character. Aside from that you get the same mix of key characters in both shows: Gus, Mike, Don Eladio, Bolsa, Cousins. Even Tuco is in there. Writing was great for both but the characters in BCS reign supreme for me __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2219611	That episode is exactly why BCS is better than BB. A slow burn “filler” episode is still fun as all hell bc Jimmy/Saul is a way better character than Walt. The Jimmy scams are always fun to see and a big part of that is the writing. I’m sad that we only get three more weeks of this. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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07-26-2022, 12:33 PM	#2368
Jamie Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Casino cash: $1468503	I think this episode would have worked better if it was at the beginning of the season. It doesn't really give anything away, and the scene of Saul saying he's all alone and nobody would care if he died would have felt more interesting if we hadn't seen the breakup with Kim yet. How it is, it's still a good scene, but it's not telling us anything that's not obvious.
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