Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock

Saccopoo · 09:12 PM

1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him.

Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen).

2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs.
- Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round.

3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs.
- Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards.

4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs.
- With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup.

5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs.
- With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football.

6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs.
- With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety.

7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs.
- Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011.

BryanBusby · 01-10-2012, 02:04 PM

This is going to be amusing

**Munson** · 01-10-2012, 02:05 PM

True fans everywhere are fapping to the thought of taking a C and OT in the first two rounds. But to be fair, these are two positions in need of a major upgrade.

**RealSNR** · 01-10-2012, 02:06 PM

I really like the Konz pick.

Who do you think should start at QB this year, Sac? Are we getting Flynn? Stanzi? Orton? The unspeakable one?

Direckshun · 01-10-2012, 02:07 PM

Enjoy your mocks, Sac.

Let me go read this one.

Direckshun · 01-10-2012, 02:09 PM

Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

Bump · 01-10-2012, 02:13 PM

we drafted a center in the 2nd last year, we're not drafting one in the first. That's just ****ing stupid.

durtyrute · 01-10-2012, 02:22 PM

Why no QB? Everyone wants a QB, but no one is picking one?

Saccopoo · 01-10-2012, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

I would tend to agree with you, but Wiegmann is likely to retire and Konz is one of the best centers I've seen in college in the past ten years or so (along with Maurkice Pouncey and Alex Mack). Guy is a stud and he'll be picked around the mid to low teens to mid to low 20's in the draft. Chiefs need a center as I'd really like to see Rod Hudson take the starting guard spot from Lilja this next season. An interior of Hudson, Konz, Asamoah would do a lot to change our inability to run effectively in the red zone. Add a solid tackle, let the best man win at LT and put the other guy at RT and that's a really nice, young offensive line.

LT: Albert/Reynolds
LG: Hudson
C: Konz
RG: Asamoah
RT: Reynolds/Albert

I'm still not sold on Albert as a LT, but having Hudson there on a consistent basis should do wonders. That's a line that has potential.

If you wanted to go elsewhere with the first pick, I do like Grant Garner a lot from Oklahoma State as well. He's a really solid center prospect. Maybe Dave Molk from Michigan (who seems to be a Wiegmann clone and would be a good guy if they stay in the zone blocking scheme). Other than that, there's not much to get excited about at that position.

Direckshun · 01-10-2012, 02:37 PM

Mack

Pouncey

Konz

Mack is the only center I've seen in my young lifetime that I'd drop a 1st on. And I would never have done it #12 overall.

Sometimes I think you're just trolling.

Urc Burry · 01-10-2012, 02:39 PM

Drafting a tackle out of BYU..I'm so surprised

Direckshun · 01-10-2012, 02:41 PM

Hey, we'd do well to land Matt Reynolds in the 2nd.

Saccopoo · 01-10-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

Why no QB? Everyone wants a QB, but no one is picking one?

Because beyond the first two, there isn't much to get excited about. And barring a complete sell of the draft, we aren't going to move up for either Luck or Griffin.

Nick Foles is kind of a Cassel clone with a bigger arm. Athletic with prototype size, but the knock on him is that he has a tendency to lock onto his first receiver and never go away from him.

The guy I really like is Kellen Moore of Boise State, but he's 6'0", 185 lbs. and that makes him a late day draft pick in the modern NFL. However, the guy is an absolute winner - in fact, he's the winningest quarterback in college football history. With his destruction of Arizona State in the Maaco Bowl, he closed out his career with 50 wins. That's right. 50. And it's not like Boise State ducked anyone during his four years as a starter.

A career passer rating of 169.9 and a remarkable senior season with 3,800 yards on 326/439 passing and 43 TD's to 9 Ints (which was first in the FBS in completion percentage).

I wouldn't mind it a bit if the Chiefs picked him up in the fourth/fifth round if he was still there. Put him on the roster and see what happens. I wouldn't bet against him.

Add to that that they picked Stanzi last year. I'd really like to see him given a chance versus having Orton and Cassel both on the roster.

htismaqe · 01-10-2012, 02:49 PM

About the only thing I agree with is the analysis of Kellen Moore.

I like Konz but the love of OL is way over the top.

Saccopoo · 01-10-2012, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Mack

Pouncey

Konz

Mack is the only center I've seen in my young lifetime that I'd drop a 1st on. And I would never have done it #12 overall.

Sometimes I think you're just trolling.

I agree with you, but it's a different NFL and the center position is more valuable than it used to be. Hell, the other Pouncey brother got picked in the first to play center and he wasn't close to being as good as his brother at that position. Add to that that Konz is a junior. One more season and he would have the potential to be mentioned alongside Mack.

Like I said, it's a ten spot reach, but if the top three OT's are gone along with the two quarterbacks, Konz is as good at his position as anyone in the draft. It's as much a reach taking Konz at that point as it is Kuechly (who is also an absolute stud at his position, but you typically don't take a MLB that high either).

01-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock 1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs. - Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him. Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen). 2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs. - Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round. 3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs. - Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards. 4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs. - With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup. 5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs. - With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football. 6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs. - With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety. 7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs. - Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011. Last edited by Saccopoo; 01-17-2012 at 09:12 PM..
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4273447	Pretty good mock, except for the first round. A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4273447	Mack Pouncey Konz Mack is the only center I've seen in my young lifetime that I'd drop a 1st on. And I would never have done it #12 overall. Sometimes I think you're just trolling.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	About the only thing I agree with is the analysis of Kellen Moore. I like Konz but the love of OL is way over the top.
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