Star Wars Rogue One Spoiler Thread

[DaneMcCloud]

There's quite a bit of info trickling out so its probably time to start a spoiler thread. I'll update with a trailer when it's available.

Trailer #1. This looks amazing!!! Darth Vader, The Emperor, Jyn (Rey's mother?), Forrest Whitaker, Donnie Yen and Alan Tudyk.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Not shocking.

It's the first to veer off the franchise path and less handcuffed in many ways to deliver something that raises the bar. We're just about to step down and touch the tip of the iceberg of stories to come from the SWU.

They've certainly amassed a collection of tremendous talent on and off screen. It looks like it has major promise.

My only fear is that the suits will keep it from being everything it could have been, but Disney has a pretty solid track record with their other film universes (though I'm not a huge fan of Marvel, they clearly know what they're doing). I guess my main fear comes from some of the BS that the writers went through and the hints that the producers seem to think we're too stupid to not realize this movie isn't part of the "Episodes" by calling it "A Star Wars Story" or removing the opening crawl (though that was info from months ago and maybe they wised up, I haven't been following it that closely).

[Bowser]

Is that Wedge at 1:57?

And Dane, your bud knocked it out of the park with the score for that trailer. Tell him we all said great job.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Is that Wedge at 1:57?

And Dane, your bud knocked it out of the park with the score for that trailer. Tell him we all said great job.

I will but he didn't actually "score" the trailer. It was an existing piece of music that was licensed and set against the R1 edited footage.

It's extremely rare that a trailer is actually "scored" these days. Trailers generally consist of multiple cues licensed from various trailer albums from various Production Music Libraries.

In this case, the Lucasfilm editor(s) chose an existing piece (that hasn't even been released yet!) that worked perfectly. That said, he's a big time Star Wars geek and was crazy stoked that this piece had been chosen.

If the movie is close to what the trailer has shown, it'll be one of the best Star Wars films, ever. The only thing it sounds like it will be missing is a Jedi-Sith light saber battle.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

My only fear is that the suits will keep it from being everything it could have been, but Disney has a pretty solid track record with their other film universes (though I'm not a huge fan of Marvel, they clearly know what they're doing). I guess my main fear comes from some of the BS that the writers went through and the hints that the producers seem to think we're too stupid to not realize this movie isn't part of the "Episodes" by calling it "A Star Wars Story" or removing the opening crawl (though that was info from months ago and maybe they wised up, I haven't been following it that closely).

I'm not surprised that they needed three different screenwriters to polish the script or that they needed pickup shots. What's surprising to me is that it leaked.

I also believe Disney and Alan Horn underestimated the public's want of new Star Wars properties. I don't think that KK did, as she came out with a strong plan of action, hiring Abrams, Kasdan, Edwards, Lord & Miller while announcing a continuation of the main saga and four stand alone movies. She wiped out the mostly goofy EU, set Star Wars Rebels in motion and oversaw the biggest box office draw ever in the SWU.

But with the success of TFA, the idea of the anthology movies changed to "stories" but it was something necessary as they were boxed in by the Episodes. They couldn't really call it Star Wars Episode 3.9 (which essentially, it is) so "stories" became the moniker. But since it involves Vader and the Death Star, it's essentially an "episode".

Hopefully, the Han Solo spinoff truly exists outside of the episodes. While I expect to see Lando and even Boba Fett, I'm hoping that's it. Let's see some Core World stories with new characters.

[keg in kc]

Not sure about boba fett, haven't read anything there, but Donald Glover is reportedly in for Lando.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Not sure about boba fett, haven't read anything there, but Donald Glover is reportedly in for Lando.

Note-perfect casting. Awesome.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But with the success of TFA, the idea of the anthology movies changed to "stories" but it was something necessary as they were boxed in by the Episodes. They couldn't really call it Star Wars Episode 3.9 (which essentially, it is) so "stories" became the moniker. But since it involves Vader and the Death Star, it's essentially an "episode".

Hopefully, the Han Solo spinoff truly exists outside of the episodes. While I expect to see Lando and even Boba Fett, I'm hoping that's it. Let's see some Core World stories with new characters.

Stepping away like that is the right move but also a bold move. Studios these days aren't very bold. Credit goes to Disney and current leadership or a movie like GotG doesn't get made.

KK, I admire for not acting like a gatekeeper of what works or not. Instead, identity talent and if you bring them together they will feed and play off one another.

It's going to take a few people of tremendous talent and vision to give birth and real legs to stories completely outside the Episodes. Which, as you point out R1 isn't really. This is dipping their toe in the water of exploring the rest of the universe. Maybe these first 4 are a setup in the shallow end and sticking close to the OT before attacking the deep end. It helpful for the audience to ease them away from what they are familiar with, but it can be just as helpful to the creative staff writing and filming it so they can get their bearings and plot a roadmap.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

This is dipping their toe in the water of exploring the rest of the universe. Maybe these first 4 are a setup in the shallow end and sticking close to the OT before attacking the deep end. It helpful for the audience to ease them away from what they are familiar with, but it can be just as helpful to the creative staff writing and filming it so they can get their bearings and plot a roadmap.

Supposedly, they've got everything mapped out until at least 2030 in terms of movies and stories.

There is so much territory to mine, whether it's giving people what they've always wanted to see in 7-9, theft of the Death Star plans in R1, a Han Solo movie and possibly an Obi Wan movie or trilogy (Ewan's been politicking very hard as of late).

Beyond that, Lucasfilm can go way back to almost 1,000 years before the current timeline featuring a young Yoda and the Old Republic and can basically create a whole new galaxy of stories.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Supposedly, they've got everything mapped out until at least 2030 in terms of movies and stories.

There is so much territory to mine, whether it's giving people what they've always wanted to see in 7-9, theft of the Death Star plans in R1, a Han Solo movie and possibly an Obi Wan movie or trilogy (Ewan's been politicking very hard as of late).

Beyond that, Lucasfilm can go way back to almost 1,000 years before the current timeline featuring a young Yoda and the Old Republic and can basically create a whole new galaxy of stories.

Yeah, but that's all tenative based on good box office and no critical flops.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth

Yeah, but that's all tenative based on good box office and no critical flops.

They've made such great creative hires that it's hard to imagine a flop or a poor box office result.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

A poor box-office showing for anything SW?

Unthinkable.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Dagnabit

A poor box-office showing for anything SW?

Unthinkable.

Even Attack of the Clones, which I thought was mostly awful and was the lowest earning title in SW history to date, earned $649 million in 2002.

I think that Disney understands that all Star Wars properties aren't going to earn $2.1 billion, as The Force Awakens earned, but even $649 million on a $115 million dollar budget is a nice ROI.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Even Attack of the Clones, which I thought was mostly awful and was the lowest earning title in SW history to date, earned $649 million in 2002.

I think that Disney understands that all Star Wars properties aren't going to earn $2.1 billion, as The Force Awakens earned, but even $649 million on a $115 million dollar budget is a nice ROI.

Indeed.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Even Attack of the Clones, which I thought was mostly awful and was the lowest earning title in SW history to date, earned $649 million in 2002.

I think that Disney understands that all Star Wars properties aren't going to earn $2.1 billion, as The Force Awakens earned, but even $649 million on a $115 million dollar budget is a nice ROI.

Absolutely.

Do you think there's a way that expectation changes over time though? We won't have the droughts in between anymore. Is it possible that with 1 (or maybe 2) Star Wars films a year over the next decade + creates fatigue at some point?

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

Absolutely.

Do you think there's a way that expectation changes over time though? We won't have the droughts in between anymore. Is it possible that with 1 (or maybe 2) Star Wars films a year over the next decade + creates fatigue at some point?

I think 2 a year devalues the allure. I wish they'd make it an annual event with it being a holiday release.

Only a matter of time before money dictates pushing for more than 1 per year.
Short term profits won't justify losing the luster of the anticipation and huge draws like they had when they limited releases and they took on an event level of interest, buzz, and cultural significance.