Chiefs Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs - Page 203

Deberg_1990 · 02-27-2013, 10:59 AM

Well, it looks like the deal is done.

https://twitter.com/intent/user?scre...w_p=tweetembed

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49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith

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Deal has been agreed upon between Chiefs and 49ers. Compensation unclear but I'm told again Chiefs have made a clear commitment to Smith.

O.city · 03-03-2013, 08:34 PM

Smith is physically more talented and overall a better QB than Cassel. By how mch, can't say.

I think the two go to show how much coaching can improve and/or disintegrate a team/franchise.

Cassel had probably the worse coaching situation in the NFL in 2011 and 2012 where Smith had the best and a talented attacking defense.

The reason, IMO, the same teams are consistently good and win, isn't necessarily the players only, but they are generally the best run franchises. I don't know if we really understand just how bad things were here the last 4 years.

After talking to someone who worked directly in the situation, it was bad. Really bad.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-03-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its bizarrio world - Pawnmower sucked Cassel's dick forever and Dane hated him. Now they have switched positons on Alex Smith. Gotta love CP.

I don't "love" Alex Smith but its ridiculous to say that he's Matt Cassel.

I find it hard to believe, although not impossible, that Reid and Dorsey traded for a QB that effectively mirrors a guy on their roster.

If so, their stay in KC will be brief.

Messier · 03-03-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

you mean 2012? one season?

Sorry I'm including 2011. Its 2013 now. I think two years is enough to suggest a trend. I'll put it another way. I think the chances of Smith going back to what he was three years ago, are about the same ad Cassel going back to what he was three years ago.

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-03-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its bizarrio world - Pawnmower sucked Cassel's dick forever and Dane hated him. Now they have switched positons on Alex Smith. Gotta love CP.

see

The academy finally pounded the truth into my skull - WE NEED A QBOTF

I do feel like i am in bizzaro world........

Alex Smith seems very similar to cassel, a SLIGHT upgrade but not anything other than a game manager, stop gap, poopy pants who will shit himself if Charles or Bowe goes down...just like assel

opposition · 03-03-2013, 08:38 PM

Cassel- 9 games
161/277, 58.1%, 1,796, 6.48 per, 6td/12int, 36.5 QBR, 66.7 rating

Alex Smith-8.5 games
153/218, 70.2%, 1,737, 7.97, 13/5, 70.1, 104.1

So Alex threw 60 less passes, same yardage, more td's, less interceptions, more efficiently, for 1 yard more per attempt?

That's exactly the same to me.

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-03-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Sorry I'm including 2011. Its 2013 now. I think two years is enough to suggest a trend. I'll put it another way. I think the chances of Smith going back to what he was three years ago, are about the same ad Cassel going back to what he was three years ago.

If you want to say one full season, plus half a season where HE GOT BENCHED is a trend...thats fine

Imagine if we benched assel in 11.., then traded him for a second rounder based on the 2010 numbers

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-03-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by opposition

stupid shit

You can cherry pick all you want

9 games is not enough data

Chiefnj2 · 03-03-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Basically since 2011, Cassel and Smiths careers have been going in opposite directions. I think just comparing their career stats doesn't tell you anything.

With proper coaching they are ultra conservative game managers. That's it.

Messier · 03-03-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

If you want to say one full season, plus half a season where HE GOT BENCHED is a trend...thats fine

Imagine if we benched assel in 11.., then traded him for a second rounder based on the 2010 numbers

Sorry, was he struggling before the injury?

Cassel sucked in 2011.

O.city · 03-03-2013, 08:45 PM

Hell, for all we know, maybe Geno and/or Barkley don't even go in the first round. Pretty sure Buffalo will take a QB, but if they don't it's conceivable that one of them could be around int he second.

Seems pretty imperative we trade down and get a 2nd round pick back.

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-03-2013, 08:45 PM

Heres the thing, ive been 'on record' against getting Smith since he got Benched...

The career stats show theyre similar, the last couple seasons show smith has been better than assel, but still game manager / 1td per game type numbers...

Saying 'he is better than cassel' is like saying herpes is better than full blown HIV

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-03-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Sorry, was he struggling before the injury?

If you think they went with Kaep for the playoff run because of injury, your and idiot.

That was 1 game.

Messier · 03-03-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

With proper coaching they are ultra conservative game managers. That's it.

I haven't seen enough of Smith to know why he's conservative. I know why Cassel is, he's incapable of making the plays. I have seem Smith make bold throws in big games. I distinctly remember saying at the time, I was wrong about Smith. I thought he wasn't capable of play like that.

Messier · 03-03-2013, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

If you think they went with Kaep for the playoff run because of injury, your and idiot.

That was 1 game.

They went with Kaepernick because he's really good, and played outstanding in place of Smith.

I'll ask again though. Was Smith struggling before the injury?

opposition · 03-03-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

You can cherry pick all you want

9 games is not enough data

Alex Smith had 13 td's this season in 8.5 games, 10 int's the last two years total.
Matt Cassel had 16td's the last two seasons total. Cassel also had 12 interceptions this season alone.

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03-03-2013, 08:34 PM	#3031
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2734064	Smith is physically more talented and overall a better QB than Cassel. By how mch, can't say. I think the two go to show how much coaching can improve and/or disintegrate a team/franchise. Cassel had probably the worse coaching situation in the NFL in 2011 and 2012 where Smith had the best and a talented attacking defense. The reason, IMO, the same teams are consistently good and win, isn't necessarily the players only, but they are generally the best run franchises. I don't know if we really understand just how bad things were here the last 4 years. After talking to someone who worked directly in the situation, it was bad. Really bad.
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03-03-2013, 08:38 PM	#3035
opposition Wins the Division in Preseason Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $10004900	Cassel- 9 games 161/277, 58.1%, 1,796, 6.48 per, 6td/12int, 36.5 QBR, 66.7 rating Alex Smith-8.5 games 153/218, 70.2%, 1,737, 7.97, 13/5, 70.1, 104.1 So Alex threw 60 less passes, same yardage, more td's, less interceptions, more efficiently, for 1 yard more per attempt? That's exactly the same to me.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2734064	Hell, for all we know, maybe Geno and/or Barkley don't even go in the first round. Pretty sure Buffalo will take a QB, but if they don't it's conceivable that one of them could be around int he second. Seems pretty imperative we trade down and get a 2nd round pick back.
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