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Old 11-10-2012, 06:21 PM   #1
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And it took a goal line stand to do it...
Are you referring to the last possession by Alabama when they got picked on the goal line...?
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:33 PM   #2
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Are you referring to the last possession by Alabama when they got picked on the goal line...?
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:36 PM   #3
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I don't know if I would call that a goal line stand...

There was still about 2 minutes left in the game on that 4th down play. If AL would have punched it in...it would have left a couple of minutes for A&M to drive the field...hell, if not for the offsides, AL was going to get the ball back again...


If that 4th down play came with 10 seconds left in the game, I would agree with you.
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:20 PM   #4
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So to follow this logic: the SEC is weak because one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team, just beat another one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team.

Well technically A&M was from the Big 12 before
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:22 PM   #5
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Well technically A&M was from the Big 12 before
Which would be entirely relevant if they weren't a SEC team right now.
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:22 PM   #6
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Which would be entirely relevant if they weren't a SEC team right now.
True, but they are considered a Big XII Reject.
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:28 PM   #7
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True, but they are considered a Big XII Reject.
Reject? Weren't they the ones who willingly left the B12 to join the vastly superior conference? Credit to them for having this kind of great success in their first year unlike MU.
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:37 PM   #8
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Which would be entirely relevant if they weren't a SEC team right now.
Unless they have a significant number of freshman/sophomores that are contributing to their success this season, then the point is entirely relevant. A&M's team that just beat Alabama is the exact same team that would have been playing in he Big XII this season if not for conference realignment. Everyone needs to face the fact that while the SEC has been the class of college football for the past several years, they aren't as dominant this season. Are they still the best conference? Yes, but they are not head and shoulders above everybody else.

And please save me the whole "Alabama got beat by another SEC team so how does that show weakness in the SEC" crap. Major conferences top teams rarely play against other top teams from other conferences during he regular season.
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:40 PM   #9
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Unless they have a significant number of freshman/sophomores that are contributing to their success this season, then the point is entirely relevant. A&M's team that just beat Alabama is the exact same team that would have been playing in he Big XII this season if not for conference realignment. Everyone needs to face the fact that while the SEC has been the class of college football for the past several years, they aren't as dominant this season. Are they still the best conference? Yes, but they are not head and shoulders above everybody else.

And please save me the whole "Alabama got beat by another SEC team so how does that show weakness in the SEC" crap. Major conferences top teams rarely play against other top teams from other conferences during he regular season.
I would actually agree with you, I don't think the SEC is as strong as previous years.

However, I don't think any of the other conferences are as strong as previous years. Most of the teams in the Big XII literally can't play defense. It's Greg Robinson bad. The Pac 12 has some strong teams but it also has teams like Colorado who are horrifically bad. The Big Ten is a dumpster fire.
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:47 PM   #10
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Unless they have a significant number of freshman/sophomores that are contributing to their success this season, then the point is entirely relevant. A&M's team that just beat Alabama is the exact same team that would have been playing in he Big XII this season if not for conference realignment. Everyone needs to face the fact that while the SEC has been the class of college football for the past several years, they aren't as dominant this season. Are they still the best conference? Yes, but they are not head and shoulders above everybody else.

And please save me the whole "Alabama got beat by another SEC team so how does that show weakness in the SEC" crap. Major conferences top teams rarely play against other top teams from other conferences during he regular season.
Yeah, the SEC only has five teams in the top 10 this year and six in the top 15. It's a down year.
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:51 PM   #11
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So to follow this logic: the SEC is weak because one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team, just beat another one of the best teams in the country, an SEC team.

Yep. Except that aTm is basically a Big 12 team. They surely haven't turned into an SEC team over night. Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned the recruiting boost they got for moving to the SEC. Whether that's true or not, I doubt any of those recruits is making much of an impact this year. Just sayin'.

And I'm not talking trash. I'm just providing some logic in all this SEC hyperbole. MU fans, especially, have pushed this silliness. Again, yes the SEC is the best conference. They are not, however, head and shoulders above the Big 12, IMO. The Big 12 is actually pretty close.
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:57 PM   #12
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Yep. Except that aTm is basically a Big 12 team. They surely haven't turned into an SEC team over night. Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned the recruiting boost they got for moving to the SEC. Whether that's true or not, I doubt any of those recruits is making much of an impact this year. Just sayin'.

And I'm not talking trash. I'm just providing some logic in all this SEC hyperbole. MU fans, especially, have pushed this silliness. Again, yes the SEC is the best conference. They are not, however, head and shoulders above the Big 12, IMO. The Big 12 is actually pretty close.
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Tell me, oh wise one, what part of my argument do you disagree?
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Tell me, oh wise one, what part of my argument do you disagree?
The part about A&M being a Big 12 team. They got a brand new coaching staff dude and yes the SEC is head and shoulders above the Big 12 just like the SEC is head and shoulders above every other conference. The big reason being the talent in that region.
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Yep. Except that aTm is basically a Big 12 team. They surely haven't turned into an SEC team over night. Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned the recruiting boost they got for moving to the SEC. Whether that's true or not, I doubt any of those recruits is making much of an impact this year. Just sayin'.
I would say that Texas A&M turned into a SEC team when they joined the conference and starting playing an SEC schedule. Their good play strengthens the SEC conference now (just as MU's poor play, for now, hurts it). I've kind of stopped viewing these programs as a reflection of the B12 (and I don't think there's really much of a narrative to take from the combination of A&M's success and MU's struggles).

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And I'm not talking trash. I'm just providing some logic in all this SEC hyperbole. MU fans, especially, have pushed this silliness. Again, yes the SEC is the best conference. They are not, however, head and shoulders above the Big 12, IMO. The Big 12 is actually pretty close.
The Big 12 is very good. 2nd best in the nation, I would grant. But the football that's played there on the whole is really nothing compared to the elite level of football played in the SEC. That's not hyperbole. It's just factual (shown in the national championships, the bowls, the cross-conference records) and very obvious (the athletes are just so, so much better).
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