Football Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

**ptlyon** · 02-19-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Drafting to please fans is a really terrible strategy.

...as it echos through an empty stadium...

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

...as it echos through an empty stadium...

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

...as it echos through an empty stadium...

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Fans don't show up for draft picks. They show up for wins.

**RealSNR** · 02-19-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Fans don't show up for draft picks. They show up for wins.

And what makes you think the Chiefs will win games by letting Albert go and drafting Joeckel?

Or taking another DL that doesn't penetrate gaps very well?

Or drafting a passrusher when we already have two Pro Bowlers?

We could always draft Milliner, but then we're ****ing around with reaching on draft value, which is the thing you've been talking about trying to avoid.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 10:23 AM

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And what makes you think the Chiefs will win games by letting Albert go and drafting Joeckel?

Or taking another DL that doesn't penetrate gaps very well?

Or drafting a passrusher when we already have two Pro Bowlers?

We could always draft Milliner, but then we're ****ing around with reaching on draft value, which is the thing you've been talking about trying to avoid.

I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success. So much so, that he sells them off to the highest bidder. I love that. That plays in our favor.

It also tips the scales toward taking BPA, not QB with our #1. And if that doesn't work out this year, the odds are that in a few years, it will work out.

If AR wants Alex Smith over Geno Smith, then I'd be pretty excited to have Alex Smith playing in this system under this coach.

Now if AR wants Geno Smith over all other options, then I'll be just as excited to have him playing in this system under this coach.

Putting much stock into what fans want is just silly.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 10:26 AM

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And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success.

Andy Reid picked Donovan McNabb #2 overall.

Andy Reid, without Donovan McNabb, has won exactly ZERO playoff games.

You have completely manufactured a narrative of PURE FANTASY.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Andy Reid picked Donovan McNabb #2 overall.

Andy Reid, without Donovan McNabb, has won exactly ZERO playoff games.

You have completely manufactured a narrative of PURE FANTASY.

Like I said if he decides to pick Geno Smith #1 overall, that's great. Fan views on the matter mean nothing.

**RealSNR** · 02-19-2013, 10:38 AM

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I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

I know. I agree. Andy Reid is a good coach.

You still haven't addressed my point of what the best and most valuable pick we can make at #1 is. Good coaches have to draft well, after all. And they need franchise QBs.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 10:41 AM

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I know. I agree. Andy Reid is a good coach.

You still haven't addressed my point of what the best and most valuable pick we can make at #1 is. Good coaches have to draft well, after all. And they need franchise QBs.

We (fans) don't have the tools to give the best answer to that. It's hard enough job when you have all of the tools. It's PURE FANTASY to pretend that fans with other jobs can do a better job in the long run, than any pro doing their job using all the tools they have.

I'm not avoiding your question, my answer is that we shouldn't try to (seriously) answer that question. Have fun with the talk, but don't flip out when others disagree... specifically when those others are highly paid professionals.

**the Talking Can** · 02-19-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success. So much so, that he sells them off to the highest bidder. I love that. That plays in our favor.

please elaborate on this success he's had with QBs not named McNabb....

ModSocks · 02-19-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success. So much so, that he sells them off to the highest bidder. I love that. That plays in our favor.

It also tips the scales toward taking BPA, not QB with our #1. And if that doesn't work out this year, the odds are that in a few years, it will work out.

If AR wants Alex Smith over Geno Smith, then I'd be pretty excited to have Alex Smith playing in this system under this coach.

Now if AR wants Geno Smith over all other options, then I'll be just as excited to have him playing in this system under this coach.

Putting much stock into what fans want is just silly.

Its funny when people talk about "More options" because what they mean to say is "Alex Smith" since there really isn't any other options.

Matt Flynn is the other name always thrown around. Terrible.

This fanbase has battered QB syndrome.

No matter how many shit QB's they've had, they keep coming back for more. It's like a woman with an abusive boyfriend just asking to get punched in the face again.

tooge · 02-19-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

I think the Chiefs will win because Andy Reid has a long history of doing it.

And in particular, he has a long history of finding lesser known QB's that he plugs into his system to significant success. So much so, that he sells them off to the highest bidder. I love that. That plays in our favor.

It also tips the scales toward taking BPA, not QB with our #1. And if that doesn't work out this year, the odds are that in a few years, it will work out.

If AR wants Alex Smith over Geno Smith, then I'd be pretty excited to have Alex Smith playing in this system under this coach.

Now if AR wants Geno Smith over all other options, then I'll be just as excited to have him playing in this system under this coach.

Andy Reid did all of his significant winning with a quarterback he selected high in the first round of the draft. The rest haven't done jack shit for him.

Putting much stock into what fans want is just silly.

Andy Reid did all his significant winning with a quarterback he took high in the first round. the rest of them didn't win jack shit for him.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 12:38 PM

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Andy Reid did all his significant winning with a quarterback he took high in the first round. the rest of them didn't win jack shit for him.

Not entirely true, but yes Andy Reid does no how to draft and develop a franchise QB. Like I said, I'll let him do his thing what ever it is.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Fans don't show up for draft picks. They show up for wins.

Alex Smith isn't winning shit.

DJ's left nut · 02-19-2013, 10:43 AM

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Alex Smith isn't winning shit.

Shenanigans.

Alex Smith was a fumbling kick returner away from a SB in 2011. When he went down in 2012 he was leading the NFL in passer efficiency and got benched for a guy that was just a hell of a lot more dynamic than Alex. Y'know what? Kaepernick's a hell of a lot more dynamic than Geno is as well.

Give Smith a good team and he can get you to 12 wins. And yes, it's absolutely possible that he could get hot like Flacco and take a team to the SB - he should have in 2011.

I'm getting really tired of people that feel that have to slam Alex Smith to justify Geno Smith. All that does is diminish Geno. Alex Smith would be as good as Trent Green was in KC under Andy Reid, I honestly believe that. Geno has the upside to be the top 10 guy that Alex doesn't, but that doesn't mean Alex is crap.