2014 NFL Combine - Players - The TEs

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

I am really intrigued by Leonard.

He is 6'2.3'' almost the exact height as dwayne bowe. I'd rather have a bigger TE.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

I am not worried about his athleticism. More the fact that he sucked during pre-season, the game looked too big for him

West Coast offense is not simple. lot to learn.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

, and his injury. Some players who have had the same injury that he had were never the same again, it pretty much ended their careers. I want insurance for Kelce incase he follows their path.

valid concern. I personally dont want to draft "insurance" early when the chiefs have such few picks and still have Fasano and McGrath available.

I dont expect a rookie TE in Reid's offense to provide more than their combined 50yrds 5tds last yr.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

I personally dont want to draft "insurance" early when the chiefs have such few picks and still have Fasano and McGrath available.

Garbage and more garbage.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Garbage and more garbage.

exactly where I hold your opinions

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Hernandez wasn't a big TE and was even slower than Leonard, I think Leonard can be the same type of TE with slightly more speed.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Leonard is a guy who can stretch the field from the TE position while Kelce/Fasano/McGrath works underneath.

Personally, I expect the field to be stretched from the WR position. The offense can only have 11 men on the field. Team already has 7 dedicated to 5 lineman, a QB, and charles (who you want to keep on the field).

That leaves 4 players. Reid's runs a quick strike offense, and he wants Alex to get rid of the ball quickly. Guys like Avery and Jenkins can get down the field much more quickly than any TE.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

Personally, I expect the field to be stretched from the WR position. The offense can only have 11 men on the field. Team already has 7 dedicated to 5 lineman, a QB, and charles (who you want to keep on the field).

That leaves 4 players. Reid's runs a quick strike offense, and he wants Alex to get rid of the ball quickly. Guys like Avery and Jenkins can get down the field much more quickly than any TE.

Yes, but TEs who can run are far more dangerous than WRs who are fast but don't have the speed of, say, a Mike Wallace or Randy Moss. Fast WRs like Avery and Jenkins don't really have the ability to box out DBs and out-jump them for the ball. That's why a fast TE is a much deadlier threat, IMO.

You have to keep in mind, Leonard is putting up these numbers at 250+ pounds, not 190-210 like your typical speed WR. As a TE, he'll be going up against safeties and LBs the vast majority of the time vs Avery and Jenkins who have to try to outrun CBs who are just as quick and fast as they are. And if an offense sticks a CB on the fast TE instead of a S or LB, the TE is going to be able to outmuscle virtually any CB in this league (not named Sherman).

That's why the Gronk and Hernandez combo was so deadly, no one had/has the players to match up against them.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Fast WRs like Avery and Jenkins don't really have the ability to box out DBs and out-jump them for the ball. That's why a fast TE is a much deadlier threat, IMO.

you are confusing the issue of vertical seperation and horizontal seperation. Avery and Jenkins can create horizontal seperation. They dont have to "box out dbs and out jump them for the ball" because they have created seperation. Players like Bowe and Baldwin have to "outjump" defenders because they havent created horizontal seperation and thus have to create vertical seperation.

Alex Smith doesnt like to throw to guys covered. He doesnt like throwing to a crowd and depending on his reciever to "box out and out jump".

Originally Posted by OldSchool

You have to keep in mind, Leonard is putting up these numbers at 250+ pounds, not 190-210 like your typical speed WR. As a TE, he'll be going up against safeties and LBs the vast majority of the time vs Avery and Jenkins who have to try to outrun CBs who are just as quick and fast as they are. And if an offense sticks a CB on the fast TE instead of a S or LB, the TE is going to be able to outmuscle virtually any CB in this league (not named Sherman).

Sure, its a game of matchups, and Reid likes to get his skill players in space. Having a reciever (whether a TE or wr) who can stretch the field will open up things for the running game (less men in the box) as well as JC as a reciever. JC and Bowe will continue to be the primary receiving options in Reid's offense. I just dont see Reid sending a TE out to "outrun" anyone. He wants guys who can get horizontal seperation very quickly. That has been his M.O. and a pillar of his West Coast offense.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

That's why the Gronk and Hernandez combo was so deadly, no one had/has the players to match up against them.

against them as a combo, sure. Gronk is a big matchup problem by himself when healthy.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

He is 6'2.3'' almost the exact height as dwayne bowe. I'd rather have a bigger TE.

Hernandez wasn't a big TE and was even slower than Leonard, I think Leonard can be the same type of TE with slightly more speed. It would be great if we could find a TE who was 6'5" and ran the same time as Leonard did, but I don't think that you will ever find that. Leonard is a guy who can stretch the field from the TE position while Kelce/Fasano/McGrath works underneath.