Chiefs Revisiting "JC needs more carries" - Page 2

**DaFace** · 09-26-2010, 08:17 PM

After watching today's game, I've decided that I am 100% behind the balance the Chiefs are running between JC and TJ. While Charles consistently has a higher YPC than Jones, I think that would fall dramatically if the ratio were changed. Jones does a great job of consistently gaining a few yards every carry, then we can bring in fresh legs in Charles to try and occasionally break off a long run.

That said, I wasn't really all that against the ratio before. Did today's game change any of you "JC needs more carries" proponents' opinions, or do you still think that he should be getting more?

BWillie · 09-26-2010, 09:32 PM

While giving more carriers to Jamaal will lower his effectiveness somewhat, he is still the better option. Jamaal should go series 1, 2, Jones series 3, Jamaal series 4,5, Jones series 6 and so on. After watching this game I'm actually even more convinced. I'm not going to complain too much because we are winning, but you can't become complacent just because you've beaten a few teams. You always try to get better an go w/ the better option. That is what you do w/ young running backs. You run them to hell for four years, and then you get rid of them.

</post> · 09-26-2010, 09:32 PM

Is there an ****Official Season-Long Jamaal Charles Needs More Carries Thread****? Someone should get on that...

Sully · 09-26-2010, 09:34 PM

I agree completely.

Hootie · 09-26-2010, 10:23 PM

I thought today was better than the first two weeks...

but here is my main gripe:

Thomas Jones is GREAT at setting us up in 3rd and manageable...3rd and 3...3rd and 4...

but we can't pick those up...we're TERRIBLE in 3rd and short...

so...

what's the point?

KChiefs1 · 09-26-2010, 10:33 PM

Jack Harry is still upset about it so that says something.

beer bacon · 09-26-2010, 10:34 PM

We have the best rushing offense in the league right now. What we are doing is working.

Calitozoni · 09-26-2010, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Charles did get the start, incidentally. I thought that was interesting.

I also noticed that he may have been in for half the plays, but he was often running routes on passing downs and not getting it thrown his way. He may have had half the snaps.

I noticed it too. I thought his presence helped the passing game. Opposing defenses are afraid of JC.

**wazu** · 09-26-2010, 10:57 PM

Nothing has changed. Jamaal Charles needs to be given the ball no less than 20 times per game. Think about it this way - going into Indianapolis in two weeks, and you are the head coach picking from two gameplans:

Gameplan 1: Jamaal Charles gets the ball 20-25 times
Gameplan 2: Thomas Jones ges the ball 20-25 times

Which one do you really believe gives the Chiefs a fighting chance?

Hootie · 09-26-2010, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

Nothing has changed. Jamaal Charles needs to be given the ball no less than 20 times per game. Think about it this way - going into Indianapolis in two weeks, and you are the head coach picking from two gameplans:

Gameplan 1: Jamaal Charles gets the ball 20-25 times
Gameplan 2: Thomas Jones ges the ball 20-25 times

Which one do you really believe gives the Chiefs a fighting chance?

to be honest?

neither

the Colts are too good

Lbedrock1 · 09-26-2010, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

That said, I wasn't really all that against the ratio before. Did today's game change any of you "JC needs more carries" proponents' opinions, or do you still think that he should be getting more?

I will put it like this, we have 2 starting backs that could start on almost any other team, JC came in last year when we didnt have another back and proved that he could be a starter in this league. No other back was better during that 9 game stretch. Because of that he should have kept the starting job unless TJ earned it with his play in the regular season. So because of JC production he should be getting the bulk of the carries with TJ spelling him not the other way around. I would like to think that a guy like JC can prove himself through hard work and be rewarded for it.

Jim Jones · 09-26-2010, 11:10 PM

The more touches Jamaal Charles gets, the better we are as a team. Simple as that, really. Jones is a good back and has a role on this team, but Charles needs 15-20 touches a game. Period.

Hootie · 09-26-2010, 11:12 PM

and Jamal got those touches today

I thought the balance was totally, 100% awesome today...first time this year...

and damn...we should be feeling GOOOD right now

**Dave Lane** · 09-26-2010, 11:23 PM

You know you people are the same people that couldn't understand why Gil Meche got taken out in the 9th inning and had the bullpen blow the lead. He only threw 136 pitches he could of finished.

philfree · 09-26-2010, 11:31 PM

There's a series in the 2nd qtr where on 1st down JC gets good yards and then on 2nd and 3 or so he has a negative play and loses a yard. On third down he lines up in the wrong spot and we have to burn a TO. I think sequences like that play a role in why Jones is getting more carries.

PhilFree

Oh Snap · 09-26-2010, 11:34 PM

right now, after todays game, the chiefs have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL. We're averaging 161 yards per game on the ground.

Ill admit, at first, I was wondering what the hell was wrong with them not getting the ball to charles..but if they keep up performances like today, im cool wit it.

09-26-2010, 08:17 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2036899	Revisiting "JC needs more carries" After watching today's game, I've decided that I am 100% behind the balance the Chiefs are running between JC and TJ. While Charles consistently has a higher YPC than Jones, I think that would fall dramatically if the ratio were changed. Jones does a great job of consistently gaining a few yards every carry, then we can bring in fresh legs in Charles to try and occasionally break off a long run. That said, I wasn't really all that against the ratio before. Did today's game change any of you "JC needs more carries" proponents' opinions, or do you still think that he should be getting more?
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09-26-2010, 09:32 PM	#16
BWillie Future NBA Finals MVP Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Earth Casino cash: $2441241	While giving more carriers to Jamaal will lower his effectiveness somewhat, he is still the better option. Jamaal should go series 1, 2, Jones series 3, Jamaal series 4,5, Jones series 6 and so on. After watching this game I'm actually even more convinced. I'm not going to complain too much because we are winning, but you can't become complacent just because you've beaten a few teams. You always try to get better an go w/ the better option. That is what you do w/ young running backs. You run them to hell for four years, and then you get rid of them. __________________ Who wants free money? Use the link below to sign up at Bovada, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker and Ignition. Contact me for private deals, spot bonuses, possible rakeback or any questions! Bovada, Ignition, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker: baldeaglepoker.com Bovada Poker is back! Get up to $500 poker deposit bonus.
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09-26-2010, 10:23 PM	#19
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I thought today was better than the first two weeks... but here is my main gripe: Thomas Jones is GREAT at setting us up in 3rd and manageable...3rd and 3...3rd and 4... but we can't pick those up...we're TERRIBLE in 3rd and short... so... what's the point?
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09-26-2010, 10:57 PM	#23
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $2212295 VARSITY	Nothing has changed. Jamaal Charles needs to be given the ball no less than 20 times per game. Think about it this way - going into Indianapolis in two weeks, and you are the head coach picking from two gameplans: Gameplan 1: Jamaal Charles gets the ball 20-25 times Gameplan 2: Thomas Jones ges the ball 20-25 times Which one do you really believe gives the Chiefs a fighting chance?
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Jim Jones Gettin T4iggy With It Join Date: May 2005 Casino cash: $9955155	The more touches Jamaal Charles gets, the better we are as a team. Simple as that, really. Jones is a good back and has a role on this team, but Charles needs 15-20 touches a game. Period. __________________
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and Jamal got those touches today I thought the balance was totally, 100% awesome today...first time this year... and damn...we should be feeling GOOOD right now
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1656198	There's a series in the 2nd qtr where on 1st down JC gets good yards and then on 2nd and 3 or so he has a negative play and loses a yard. On third down he lines up in the wrong spot and we have to burn a TO. I think sequences like that play a role in why Jones is getting more carries. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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09-26-2010, 11:34 PM	#30
Oh Snap Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Casino cash: $9064925	right now, after todays game, the chiefs have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL. We're averaging 161 yards per game on the ground. Ill admit, at first, I was wondering what the hell was wrong with them not getting the ball to charles..but if they keep up performances like today, im cool wit it.
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