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Old 01-11-2007, 07:53 PM  
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If Martz to the Raiders
and The Raiders pick a franchise QB with their pick, arent we on the bottom of the food chain in the AFC West? Hmmmmm, Martz will make a Raiders offense better than this year and their D is already killer. Were in for a long offseason
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Old 01-12-2007, 01:15 PM   #61
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I think I saw somewhere that he took a 27th ranked offense and made them a 7th ranked offense.


I just realized my post sounded like a sarcastic, rhetorical question.

It wasn't.

I actually wanted to know.
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Old 01-12-2007, 01:38 PM   #62
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I think I saw somewhere that he took a 27th ranked offense and made them a 7th ranked offense.
how much is that attributed to Martz and how much to Harringon leaving?
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Old 01-12-2007, 01:40 PM   #63
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Hey, I had a thought, Detroit has some decent WR, right?

Trade Bell for one, they need LBs and we need WR.
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Old 01-12-2007, 02:52 PM   #64
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That team should have won more than one super bowl. I'd consider the accomplishments you listed as a failure. Also, if you look at Martz's drafts, it's almost as bad as Vermeil's draft record here. Martz drafted Steven Jackson and a bunch of guys you never heard of.

That's pure speculation on your part. The facts are that succesfully coordinated the Rams to the Super Bowl and won. As the Rams head coach, he took them to the playoffs four out of five years and to the Super Bowl in 2002.

You can say whatever you want, but one thing's for sure, that's NOT ineptitude or failure.
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Old 01-12-2007, 02:55 PM   #65
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Leftover talent that started to decline as Martz rode the wave ? Sheesh, what was his final years like, how were his drafts ? When times got tough, he cracked under pressure.

If given him talent and controll of running an offense ( OC ) , he does well, it's the overall control ( HC ) of the team he can't handle.
Leftover talent? Do you realize that the Rams were 5-11 two years prior to his arrival? And that two of the following three years, his teams were playing in the Super Bowl?

I'd take four out of five years in the playoffs and a Super Bowl appearance ANY DAY over no playoff wins in 14 years.

If Martz is inept, what does that make Gunther, Vermiel and Edwards?
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Old 01-12-2007, 03:27 PM   #66
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[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud]That's pure speculation on your part. The facts are that succesfully coordinated the Rams to the Super Bowl and won. As the Rams head coach, he took them to the playoffs four out of five years and to the Super Bowl in 2002.

Yeah, we'll just pretend that his own coaching decisions during playoff games and super bowls didn't cost him those games, or get quarterbacks killed. He didn't build that team, he presided over its decline, period. And that's why he's fired. If the Rams were an AFC team, they never would have made the playoffs all those years.

As easily as it was for Vermeil and Saunders to come over here and in the space of 1 year, create a team that was better offensively than the Rams ever were should tell you something.
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Old 01-12-2007, 04:05 PM   #67
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Martz might be a great OC but he appears to be a lousy HC. He needs someone to reign him in and as a HC he doesn't have that.

He paired with Davis would be a timebomb. But since it's the Raiders it'd be fun to watch.
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Old 01-12-2007, 04:25 PM   #68
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That's pure speculation on your part. The facts are that succesfully coordinated the Rams to the Super Bowl and won. As the Rams head coach, he took them to the playoffs four out of five years and to the Super Bowl in 2002.

Yeah, we'll just pretend that his own coaching decisions during playoff games and super bowls didn't cost him those games, or get quarterbacks killed. He didn't build that team, he presided over its decline, period. And that's why he's fired. If the Rams were an AFC team, they never would have made the playoffs all those years.

As easily as it was for Vermeil and Saunders to come over here and in the space of 1 year, create a team that was better offensively than the Rams ever were should tell you something.
Brock,

RoyC's contention was that Martz was inept. I countered with the FACT that he took his team to the Super Bowl and to the playoffs, four out of five years. If you as a Chiefs fan wouldn't take that, I don't know what to say.

It seems to me that each and every fan of any NFL team (with the exception of the Patriots) thinks their coach is an idiot. It doesn't matter if it's Shanahan, Parcells, Cowher or Billick. If you watch one team, year after year after year, you're going to thing the coach is a moron.

That being said, I'd have rather had Martz and his four playoff appearances and Super Bowl loss than Vermeil and one playoff loss during the same time period.
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