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**jAZ** · 12:02 AM

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Updated: 10:55 AM EST
Cuba Paid Oswald to Kill Kennedy, New Film Says

By Mark Trevelyan, Reuters

BERLIN (Jan. 4) - Cuba lay behind the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Lee Harvey Oswald and its agents provided the gunman with money and support, an award-winning German director says in a new documentary film.

Wilfried Huismann spent three years researching "Rendezvous with Death," based on interviews with former Cuban secret agents, U.S. officials and a Russian intelligence source, and on research in Mexican security archives.

The film, shown to journalists in Berlin on Wednesday, says Oswald traveled to Mexico City by bus in September 1963, seven weeks before the Kennedy shooting, and met agents at the Cuban embassy there who paid him $6,500.

Oscar Marino, a former Cuban agent and a key source for the documentary, told Huismann that Oswald himself had volunteered for the assassination mission and Havana had exploited him.

"Oswald was a dissident. He hated his country...Oswald offered to kill Kennedy," Marino said in the film.

"He was so full of hate, he had the idea. We used him...He was a tool."

He said he knew with certainty that the assassination was an operation of the Cuban secret service G-2, but would not say if it was ordered by President Fidel Castro.

Oswald was shot dead by Jack Ruby two days after killing Kennedy in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.

The film argues Cuba wanted to eliminate Kennedy as the chief enemy of its Communist revolution, and portrays him and Castro as dueling opponents each trying to assassinate the other first.

Former CIA official Sam Halpern told Huismann: "He (Castro) beat us. He bested us. He came out on top, and we lost."

FBI PROBE ABORTED

Laurence Keenan, an officer of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) who was sent to Mexico City immediately after Kennedy's death to investigate a possible Cuban connection, said he was recalled after just three days and the probe was aborted.

"This was perhaps the worst investigation the FBI was ever involved in," Keenan said. "I realized that I was used. I felt ashamed. We missed a moment in history."

Keenan, 81, said he was convinced Kennedy's successor, Lyndon Johnson, blocked further investigation because proof of a Cuban link would put him under irresistible pressure to invade the island, a year after the Cuban missile crisis had brought the United States and Soviet Union to the brink of nuclear war.

"Most likely there would have been an invasion of Cuba which could have had unknown consequences for the whole world," he told journalists at the screening, saying that was why Johnson preferred to accept Oswald was "a crazed lone Marxist assassin."

Interviewed for the film, Alexander Haig, then a U.S. military adviser and later secretary of state, quoted Johnson as saying "we simply must not allow the American people to believe that Fidel Castro could have killed our president."

"And the reason was that there would be a right-wing uprising in America, which would keep the Democratic party out of power for two generations," Haig said.

He added that Robert F. Kennedy, brother of the assassinated president and attorney general in his administration, had personally ordered eight attempts on the life of Castro, who is still in power to this day.

Cuban and Russian sources interviewed in the film say the KGB alerted the Cubans to Oswald in mid-1962 after he left the Soviet Union, where he had lived for three years, and returned to the United States with his Soviet wife and their daughter.

Cuban intelligence first made contact with Oswald in November 1962, according to the film.

Huismann also unearthed a U.S. intelligence report shown to Johnson which said Cuban secret service chief Fabian Escalante flew via Mexico City to Dallas on the day of Kennedy's assassination, and back again the same day.

Tracked down by the film maker, Escalante denied he had been in Dallas and evaded questions about Cuba's alleged role. "What is truth, what are lies?" he said, smiling.

01/04/06 11:12 ET

Titty Meat · 07-08-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If that's true, Johnson was probably right to handle it how he did.

Invading Cuba really could've sparked another global war. Perhaps not truly WWIII in scale, but it would've been an extremely volatile and potentially catastrophic situation.

The cold logic of it all is that the American public probably was better off for not knowing of any potential Cuban involvement.

I'm a dove and even I would be for blowing up Cuba if they were behind the assination of a US president.

Garcia Bronco · 07-08-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I'm a dove and even I would be for blowing up Cuba if they were behind the assination of a US president.

Oh **** yeah. Its time to throw down, any country.

Titty Meat · 07-08-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Oh **** yeah. Its time to throw down, any country.

If they kill a preaident? That's not an act of war?

Garcia Bronco · 07-08-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

If they kill a preaident? That's not an act of war?

its and act of war with a dash of something else.

**Rausch** · 07-08-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Based on forensic evidence. They even found the third bullet. He did it with a spectacular display of shooting. Marine Corp shooting.

The "magic bullet" theory?

I don't have a favorite theory.

I do think there are just too many coincidences to think there wasn't a larger player than just LHO alone...

**DeezNutz** · 07-08-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

That's like watching a pink elephant fly down out of the sky and rape a cow to death, fly off, and then say "It's God's will."

Uh....based......on.....whut?

History Channel did a special, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" or some shit like that. Anyway, they used computer generated graphics to debunk the "magic bullet" theory, and the key piece of evidence that most don't consider in arguing to the contrary is that the convertible had "stadium seating" of sorts.

Garcia Bronco · 07-08-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

The "magic bullet" theory?

I don't have a favorite theory.

I do think there are just too many coincidences to think there wasn't a larger player than just LHO alone...

There was no "magic bullet". Maybe Dumbledore did something, but I think he was at Hogwarts at the time investigating Tom Riddle. The bullet struck bone and ricochet into the Tex Gov. LHO's first shot went through a street sign and he adjusted to fire the next two. People didn't even hear the first one. Video shows the bullet striking him from behind.

And now we find out that the Cubans pontentially gave him dough when he wanted to shoot Kennedy anyway.

This was the Holy Grail of modern conspiracy theorists and its been debunked in my mind.

Garcia Bronco · 07-08-2013, 06:30 PM

Also, that he fired 3 shots in 7 seconds is nonsense. It was two. He fired the first one, missed hitting a street sign. In fact if the street sign wasn't there he would have hit him before the turn. So it was more like 3 shots in 15 seconds or so.

**Rausch** · 07-08-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

History Channel did a special, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" or some shit like that. Anyway, they used computer generated graphics to debunk the "magic bullet" theory, and the key piece of evidence that most don't consider in arguing to the contrary is that the convertible had "stadium seating" of sorts.

I didn't see that.

What's the short version?

**DeezNutz** · 07-08-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I didn't see that.

What's the short version?

**Donger** · 07-08-2013, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I didn't see that.

What's the short version?

Connally was seated in a jump seat, which was below and to the left of JFK. Connally was also turned toward his right when he was hit. If you combine all that, the trajectory of shot two fits perfectly.

**DeezNutz** · 07-08-2013, 06:39 PM

From about 3:00-5:30.

**Rausch** · 07-08-2013, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I can see most of that. I don't disagree with the 2nd argument.

My issue is mostly with the head shot and the strange facts that surround the event. Three different physicians state they examined the body and it looked like some surgery was performed on the front of the face and that the wound in the back of the head was an exit wound.

Do I know this? No.

I'm just going off info printed or televised after the fact.

**Rausch** · 07-08-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Connally was seated in a jump seat, which was below and to the left of JFK. Connally was also turned toward his right when he was hit. If you combine all that, the trajectory of shot two fits perfectly.

Thank you for posting that after I watched a ****ing 10 minute video...

Ace Gunner · 07-08-2013, 06:51 PM

I believe the immaculate bullet theory, myself. Mary hated John.

01-05-2006, 11:56 PM
jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $9847493	Cuba Paid Oswald to Kill Kennedy, New Film Says http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...04111709990002 Updated: 10:55 AM EST Cuba Paid Oswald to Kill Kennedy, New Film Says By Mark Trevelyan, Reuters BERLIN (Jan. 4) - Cuba lay behind the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Lee Harvey Oswald and its agents provided the gunman with money and support, an award-winning German director says in a new documentary film. Wilfried Huismann spent three years researching "Rendezvous with Death," based on interviews with former Cuban secret agents, U.S. officials and a Russian intelligence source, and on research in Mexican security archives. The film, shown to journalists in Berlin on Wednesday, says Oswald traveled to Mexico City by bus in September 1963, seven weeks before the Kennedy shooting, and met agents at the Cuban embassy there who paid him $6,500. Oscar Marino, a former Cuban agent and a key source for the documentary, told Huismann that Oswald himself had volunteered for the assassination mission and Havana had exploited him. "Oswald was a dissident. He hated his country...Oswald offered to kill Kennedy," Marino said in the film. "He was so full of hate, he had the idea. We used him...He was a tool." He said he knew with certainty that the assassination was an operation of the Cuban secret service G-2, but would not say if it was ordered by President Fidel Castro. Oswald was shot dead by Jack Ruby two days after killing Kennedy in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. The film argues Cuba wanted to eliminate Kennedy as the chief enemy of its Communist revolution, and portrays him and Castro as dueling opponents each trying to assassinate the other first. Former CIA official Sam Halpern told Huismann: "He (Castro) beat us. He bested us. He came out on top, and we lost." FBI PROBE ABORTED Laurence Keenan, an officer of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) who was sent to Mexico City immediately after Kennedy's death to investigate a possible Cuban connection, said he was recalled after just three days and the probe was aborted. "This was perhaps the worst investigation the FBI was ever involved in," Keenan said. "I realized that I was used. I felt ashamed. We missed a moment in history." Keenan, 81, said he was convinced Kennedy's successor, Lyndon Johnson, blocked further investigation because proof of a Cuban link would put him under irresistible pressure to invade the island, a year after the Cuban missile crisis had brought the United States and Soviet Union to the brink of nuclear war. "Most likely there would have been an invasion of Cuba which could have had unknown consequences for the whole world," he told journalists at the screening, saying that was why Johnson preferred to accept Oswald was "a crazed lone Marxist assassin." Interviewed for the film, Alexander Haig, then a U.S. military adviser and later secretary of state, quoted Johnson as saying "we simply must not allow the American people to believe that Fidel Castro could have killed our president." "And the reason was that there would be a right-wing uprising in America, which would keep the Democratic party out of power for two generations," Haig said. He added that Robert F. Kennedy, brother of the assassinated president and attorney general in his administration, had personally ordered eight attempts on the life of Castro, who is still in power to this day. Cuban and Russian sources interviewed in the film say the KGB alerted the Cubans to Oswald in mid-1962 after he left the Soviet Union, where he had lived for three years, and returned to the United States with his Soviet wife and their daughter. Cuban intelligence first made contact with Oswald in November 1962, according to the film. Huismann also unearthed a U.S. intelligence report shown to Johnson which said Cuban secret service chief Fabian Escalante flew via Mexico City to Dallas on the day of Kennedy's assassination, and back again the same day. Tracked down by the film maker, Escalante denied he had been in Dallas and evaded questions about Cuba's alleged role. "What is truth, what are lies?" he said, smiling. 01/04/06 11:12 ET Last edited by jAZ; 01-06-2006 at 12:02 AM..
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07-08-2013, 06:30 PM	#38
Garcia Bronco No Keys, No Problem Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver Casino cash: $5293136	Also, that he fired 3 shots in 7 seconds is nonsense. It was two. He fired the first one, missed hitting a street sign. In fact if the street sign wasn't there he would have hit him before the turn. So it was more like 3 shots in 15 seconds or so.
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