NFL Draft drafting Trent Richardson - Page 2

jlscorpio · 01-11-2012, 04:54 AM

just saw the 2nd different mock that has us taking T-Rich 2.0 w/our 1st pick. I'm not opposed to it since no all-world DT is available this year. Here's the write up from Foxsports:

11. Kansas City Chiefs*: Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: The Chiefs lost Jamaal Charles in the second week of the 2011 NFL season, and the offense never rebounded. Charles should be back and healthy next season, but Richardson is the rare running back talent who can completely change an offense. The way this mock draft has unfolded, he’ll be slipping out of the Top 10 — something few scouts or experts expect. A different type of back from Charles, the two could work together to form a dynamic duo in the Kansas City backfield. Though Charles signed a five-year, $32 million extension in 2010, he’s not making the Adrian Peterson/Chris Johnson money you might expect. Richardson, a between-the-tackles grinder, is viewed as a much better pro prospect than his former teammate, Mark Ingram. In the rough-and-tumble AFC West, I love the thought of a Charles-Richardson platoon.

jlscorpio · 01-11-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I don't disagree. However, I strongly feel that RB is a position you can get cheap rounds 4-7 or as an UDFA.

Roy Helu - round 4
Michael Bush - round 4
Darren Sproles - round 4
Brandon Jacobs - round 4
Michael Turner - round 5
Tim Hightower - round 5
Kolby smith - round 5
Javon Ringer - round 5
James Starks - round 6
Anthony Dixon - round 6
Jonathan dwyer - round 6
Bernard Scott - round 6
Terrell Davis - round 6
Jamal Anderson - round 7
LaRod Stephens-Howling - round 7
Peyton hillis - round 7
Ahmad Bradshaw - round 7
Priest Holmes - UDFA
Arian Foster - UDFA
Fred Jackson - UDFA
Benjarvis Green-Ellis - UDFA
Mike Tolbert - UDFA
LeGarrette Blount - UDFA
Pierre Thomas - UDFA

Kolby ****ing Smith??? Really???

Deberg_1990 · 01-11-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I don't disagree. However, I strongly feel that RB is a position you can get cheap rounds 4-7 or as an UDFA.

Roy Helu - round 4
Michael Bush - round 4
Darren Sproles - round 4
Brandon Jacobs - round 4
Michael Turner - round 5
Tim Hightower - round 5
Kolby smith - round 5
Javon Ringer - round 5
James Starks - round 6
Anthony Dixon - round 6
Jonathan dwyer - round 6
Bernard Scott - round 6
Terrell Davis - round 6
Jamal Anderson - round 7
LaRod Stephens-Howling - round 7
Peyton hillis - round 7
Ahmad Bradshaw - round 7
Priest Holmes - UDFA
Arian Foster - UDFA
Fred Jackson - UDFA
Benjarvis Green-Ellis - UDFA
Mike Tolbert - UDFA
LeGarrette Blount - UDFA
Pierre Thomas - UDFA

Your abolutely right. I think good teams have to be able to rack and stack each position then determine if the player you like is SUBSTANTIALLY better than other guys you like in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th round, whatever...If hes not that much better than those guys, you wait and take someone else.......if you think he has elite skills, then you take him obviously.

suds79 · 01-11-2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, let's draft a big bruiser.

Because smashmouth football works so well in today's NFL.

And led us to multiple Super Bowl victories in the 90's too...

Not saying I'm full on board with Trent. So my take isn't on drafting him. It's on what he is.

I always thought he was an all around guy who runs hard. Just looked it up. He's 224. I'll be curious to see what he runs at the combine.

But I've never thought he's some stiff, big bruiser.

suds79 · 01-11-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I don't disagree. However, I strongly feel that RB is a position you can get cheap rounds 4-7 or as an UDFA.

Roy Helu - round 4

I've had my good share of misses but I wanted the Chiefs to get Helu. I obviously saw plenty of him. 215 lbs with 4.4 speed and the ability to make someone miss? I thought it was a no brainer.

HMc · 01-11-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

heh, no......i guess i should have said BPA at a position of MOST need. We need RB depth. I have no idea how the Chiefs feel about Charles, but my gut tells me they dont have complete faith in him to carry a full load and never have. Drafting Richardson would be a nice insurance policy.

KC-TBB · 01-11-2012, 07:58 AM

Maybe we should draft...a backup punter...hmmmm

suds79 · 01-11-2012, 08:02 AM

I just want the Chiefs to use their first on a playmaker. Somebody who can win you games.

I'm becoming more & more of the opinion that the following positions simply don't matter all that much and are just "guys". Can be plugged in by several dudes.

So do not draft in the 1st:

Guards, Centers, DEs (in a 3-4 system), MLB (in a 3-4), and FB.

RB probably should also be on the list considering you can find them late. But I'd favor that over some fatty who doesn't have a big impact due to the nature of his position.

htismaqe · 01-11-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

heh, i knew it wouldnt take long.......

What would you do?

I wouldn't take Richardson, that's for damn sure.

Every year, there are a few players that teams see as elite talents, guys you can build a scheme around. Richardson is one of those players.

The problem is not with Richardson, it's with the STYLE of offense teams can, and will, build around him.

Atlanta scored TWO points this past weekend. On defense. Run-oriented offenses DO NOT work in today's NFL.

KCUnited · 01-11-2012, 08:08 AM

Pioli with Fescoe this morning: Matt Cassel is a good NFL quarterback. We need to improve on the Oline.

htismaqe · 01-11-2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

I just want the Chiefs to use their first on a playmaker. Somebody who can win you games.

I'm becoming more & more of the opinion that the following positions simply don't matter all that much and are just "guys". Can be plugged in by several dudes.

So do not draft in the 1st:

Guards, Centers, DEs (in a 3-4 system), MLB (in a 3-4), and FB.

RB probably should also be on the list considering you can find them late. But I'd favor that over some fatty who doesn't have a big impact due to the nature of his position.

What kind of games do you want to win? Because running games don't win in the postseason.

suds79 · 01-11-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

What kind of games do you want to win? Because running games don't win in the postseason.

Hey if the Chiefs used the first and several other future picks to find a way to get RG3, I'd be ecstatic.

If they couldn't do that and instead drafted the next best QB, I'd be full on board with that plan.

I realize our biggest problem is the QB. I was merely commenting on something other than QB for once.

Deberg_1990 · 01-11-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The problem is not with Richardson, it's with the STYLE of offense teams can, and will, build around him.

Atlanta scored TWO points this past weekend. On defense. Run-oriented offenses DO NOT work in today's NFL.

I agree but the Chiefs are stuck in the No Mans Land of this years draft. They are not going to get a QB.

htismaqe · 01-11-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Hey if the Chiefs used the first and several other future picks to find a way to get RG3, I'd be ecstatic.

If they couldn't do that and instead drafted the next best QB, I'd be full on board with that plan.

I realize our biggest problem is the QB. I was merely commenting on something other than QB for once.

You're missing the point.

People are advocating drafting an ELITE RB, ala Adrian Peterson. What has Adrian Peterson REALLY done for the Vikings?

It's not just about THIS draft, it's about the next 5, 6, or more.

With Adrian Peterson, the Vikings thought Tarvaris Jackson was good enough. Then they got Favre. And as if it wasn't COMPLETELY obvious after that, they went with DONOVAN MCNABB.

They finally drafted Ponder just in time to have AP finish the season on IR. They WASTED Jared Allen's best years. They wasted Henderson's best years. What's really sad is that they wasted ADRIAN PETERSON'S best years.

If I thought this team would take Richardson this year and then go fix the QB position next year, I'd be all for it.

But they WON'T. They'll do what pretty much every team does when they take an elite back before getting the franchise QB - they'll build the offense around him and hover around 8-8 for the next decade.

htismaqe · 01-11-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I agree but the Chiefs are stuck in the No Mans Land of this years draft. They are not going to get a QB.

See my response to Suds. It's not just about this year.

Deberg_1990 · 01-11-2012, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

See my response to Suds. It's not just about this year.

im not disagreeing with you. I think your 100% correct. I think the Chiefs options are limited considering where they are drafting.

Since the Chiefs are essentially "playoff ready", i would be tempted to go after Manning if i felt he was 100% healthy and the Colts released him.

01-11-2012, 04:54 AM
jlscorpio Veteran Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Casino cash: $10004900	drafting Trent Richardson just saw the 2nd different mock that has us taking T-Rich 2.0 w/our 1st pick. I'm not opposed to it since no all-world DT is available this year. Here's the write up from Foxsports: 11. Kansas City Chiefs*: Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: The Chiefs lost Jamaal Charles in the second week of the 2011 NFL season, and the offense never rebounded. Charles should be back and healthy next season, but Richardson is the rare running back talent who can completely change an offense. The way this mock draft has unfolded, he’ll be slipping out of the Top 10 — something few scouts or experts expect. A different type of back from Charles, the two could work together to form a dynamic duo in the Kansas City backfield. Though Charles signed a five-year, $32 million extension in 2010, he’s not making the Adrian Peterson/Chris Johnson money you might expect. Richardson, a between-the-tackles grinder, is viewed as a much better pro prospect than his former teammate, Mark Ingram. In the rough-and-tumble AFC West, I love the thought of a Charles-Richardson platoon.
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