Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/packers-prefer-compensatory-picks-over-unrestricted-free-agents/


Packers General Manager Ted Thompson has a formula for building his team, and he’s sticking with it.

Thompson believes in building through the draft, not free agency, and that includes acquiring more draft picks by declining to sign unrestricted free agents. In the NFL, teams that lose more in free agency than they acquire get compensatory picks, and the Packers’ moves in free agency this year indicate that they’re already thinking about acquiring compensatory picks for next year. The NFL doesn’t public the precise formula used to determine compensatory picks, but the simple version is that if the unrestricted free agents you lose are better, higher-paid players than the unrestricted free agents you sign, then the NFL will compensate you the following year with compensatory picks.

As the Green Bay Press-Gazette points out, even the one big name the Packers have signed this offseason, Julius Peppers, was a free agent because he was released by the Bears, not because his previous contract expired. That means he won’t count as an unrestricted free agent addition for the Packers for the purpose of determining their compensatory picks next year.

Last year the Packers lost two key players, receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden, as unrestricted free agents. And the Packers didn’t sign any unrestricted free agents last year. As a result, this year they’re getting an extra third-round pick and an extra fifth-round pick as compensatory selections.

This year the Packers have again not signed away any players whose previous contract expired, but they have lost four players, center Evan Dietrich-Smith, receiver James Jones, defensive lineman C.J. Wilson and offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse. That means the Packers will almost certainly do well when the compensatory picks are passed out a year from now.

Building through the draft and declining to overspend in free agency would be a smart strategy even if the NFL didn’t have a compensatory pick system to reward frugal teams. But when compensatory picks are added to the equation, it’s easy to see why Thompson declines to go after free agents. The Packers have been successful this way. It’s surprising more teams haven’t copied them.


May not be popular here but Dorsey is doing exactly the same thing Thompson and Ozzie Newsome are doing, stockpile draft picks and let UFAs get overpaid elsewhere.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Seattle went from 7-9 to SB champions in 2 years.

Good thing they traded a 3rd in 2010 and fell 20 spots in the second round of the 2011 draft to get Charlie Whitehurst.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by el borracho

No, the argument is that the Chiefs defense, not Alex Smith, determined the outcome of the games in 2013.

None of the QBs you mention play defense, by the way, so they have very little to do with Alex Smith's performance. If you want to discuss the defense on the opposing teams last year, that would have a lot more relevance to Alex Smith's performance. No need to look it up, I can tell you that the Chiefs played an incredibly easy schedule in 2013. Chiefs got out to a great start by defeating some really crappy opponents in 2013.

Our defense playing shitty QBs/offenses

or

Alex Smith playing shitty defenses?

Alex Smith still performed well in games against shootout style QBs. Scoring points against offenses that would drive right down our swiss cheese career day defense and score in 20 seconds.

So I would say our defense was an over inflated product against shitty QBs. It's a fraud defense. It was at one point statistically the #1 defense in the league, then fell off a cliff. Alex Smith remained at least consistent top 10 NFL QB on paper, in fantasy, and statistically.

You will get consistent play out of Alex Smith in 2014, that's what he brings. The defense on the other hand, you have to wonder how long til the wheels fall off, again. Probably earlier in 2014 than in 2013.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's a list of the players GB has gotten from their comp picks over the years...

Josh Boyd
Mike Daniels
Herron McMillan
Andrew Datko
BJ Coleman
Davon House
Marshall Newhouse
Josh Sitton

A whole lot of meh.

If it wasnt so much work, I'd do the research to show the list of free agents they lost to get those comp picks and I'd bet anything that list of players would be a lot more impressive.

The reason I've brought up comp picks a million times is, it's not like we're sitting around and doing nothing. If we end up extending at least 2 of the three contracts in Berry, Smith, or Houston (hopefully all 3), that's not a small offseason. To be able to pull those 3 deals off AND keep your cap within reason AND get 4 comp picks in the process (one of them will probably end up being a 3rd rounder for Albert, the other 2 will probably be pretty decent), then that's pretty awesome.

If we pull off 1 starter, awesome. If most of those guys become quality depth, awesome. Nobody expects all 4 of these guys to be starters or pro bowlers. I guess I put a lot more value in quality depth than many might.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Our defense playing shitty QBs/offenses

or

Alex Smith playing shitty defenses?

Alex Smith still performed well in games against shootout style QBs. Scoring points against offenses that would drive right down our swiss cheese career day defense and score in 20 seconds.

So I would say our defense was an over inflated product against shitty QBs. It's a fraud defense. It was at one point statistically the #1 defense in the league, then fell off a cliff. Alex Smith remained at least consistent top 10 NFL QB on paper, in fantasy, and statistically.

You will get consistent play out of Alex Smith in 2014, that's what he brings. The defense on the other hand, you have to wonder how long til the wheels fall off, again. Probably earlier in 2014 than in 2013.

And now you understand why I think it's silly to throw money at 1 defensive player and think that magically fixes everything.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think many people on CP are crediting Smith for his win/loss record. I was a really big critic most of the year.

Even the biggest of critics have said the second half version of Alex Smith was better and different than any Alex Smith we ever saw in San Fran. Even if the Chiefs didn't pull off many wins the second half of the year, the way Smith played, we could have pulled most of those wins off with even just an average defense. Smith was one of the main reasons we were keeping games close. I NEVER thought Smith was capable of carrying a team, but he did.

That being said… Smith is a QB that needs help around him to succeed.

A quarterback needs help around him to succeed? imagine that....

Look at Peyton Mannings surrounding cast.. Theres a guy you could say the same thing about then because most would argue he is quarterbacking the most talented roster in the NFL...

Tom Brady? Would u say its his system? Who knows but cassell went 11-6 with them and then sh1t the bed in the nfl when he left the patriots..

Im pretty sure quarterbacks need some type of help in the NFL to succeed no matter who it is.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Messier

Name the QB that you wanted to draft last year.

How about any year? This team does not draft QBs period. It just doesn't happen. Hey, they got a wild card spot, be happy, it is the goal.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

How about any year? This team does not draft QBs period. It just doesn't happen. Hey, they got a wild card spot, be happy, it is the goal.

Don't be an idiot.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

A quarterback needs help around him to succeed? imagine that....

Look at Peyton Mannings surrounding cast.. Theres a guy you could say the same thing about then because most would argue he is quarterbacking the most talented roster in the NFL...

Tom Brady? Would u say its his system? Who knows but cassell went 11-6 with them and then sh1t the bed in the nfl when he left the patriots..

Im pretty sure quarterbacks need some type of help in the NFL to succeed no matter who it is.

Brady and Peyton are two QBs who can carry a bad team. And they have. Brady made the AFC championship game with an average defense and Reche Caldwell / Jabar Gaffney as his #1 and #2 receivers. Peyton usually carried an atrocious defense and offensive line in Indy.

But in every generation, there are about 4 or 5. Not worth the gamble to assume you'll bring in a QB who can carry a team. In most cases, you have a Russell Wilson, Flacco, and Eli who are very good QBs but are better built for teams that have a lot of talent around them.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Messier

Don't be an idiot.

Why would recognizing the facts be idiocy? Ignoring them is being a blind idiot.

The impatience and intolerance over the years of the Chiefs fans have cemented the current strategy of being competitive and not risking failing at mediocrity to ownership.

Anyone that thinks three GMs in a row making the same moves is coincidence is the idiot. Keep on drinking the kool aid, idiot.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Why would recognizing the facts be idiocy? Ignoring them is being a blind idiot.

The impatience and intolerance over the years of the Chiefs fans have cemented the current strategy of being competitive and not risking failing at mediocrity to ownership.

Anyone that thinks three GMs in a row making the same moves is coincidence is the idiot. Keep on drinking the kool aid, idiot.

So, you believe there is a no drafting a QB mandate handed down from Hunt?

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Messier

So, you believe there is a no drafting a QB mandate handed down from Hunt?

Yes, I have said it many times. The pattern is long and consistent no matter what they say to the fans.

Carl never spent a first round pick on a QB in his 20 years. Both Pioli and Dorsey made the move to trade picks for one before they knew where the office mens room was located.

In the 54 years this team has been in existence, they have never successfully drafted and developed a QB. They haven't even really tried in 30.

edit, that is not really fair to Carl, as he did spend two second round picks early in his tenure trying to find one, but never a first.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Brady and Peyton are two QBs who can carry a bad team. And they have. Brady made the AFC championship game with an average defense and Reche Caldwell / Jabar Gaffney as his #1 and #2 receivers. Peyton usually carried an atrocious defense and offensive line in Indy.

But in every generation, there are about 4 or 5. Not worth the gamble to assume you'll bring in a QB who can carry a team. In most cases, you have a Russell Wilson, Flacco, and Eli who are very good QBs but are better built for teams that have a lot of talent around them.

Im not disagreeing that there haven't been times that these quarterbacks haven't had amazing talent, but to say they haven't had GREAT help is a understatement.

U mentioned Brady made the afc champions game with average defense etc and WR's, but with brady I mentioned the SYSTEM he is in, not the talent around him aka. why I referenced Cassel as 11-6 in that system but then came here and suked a$$...

Peyton also has had BOTH Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne as WR's and then had great wideouts after Marvin retired..

Brady had Randy Moss in his prime along with other top notch receivers like Welker, who most claim Welker is the Broncos workhorse...

So Both of these quarterbacks have had tremendous help in there supporting casts, wether it be talent or coaching staff, but Tom bradys coaching staff is already booked for the Hall of fame and 10x over.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Yes, I have said it many times. The pattern is long and consistent no matter what they say to the fans.

Carl never spent a first round pick on a QB in his 20 years. Both Pioli and Dorsey made the move to trade picks for one before they knew where the office mens room was located.

In the 54 years this team has been in existence, they have never successfully drafted and developed a QB. They haven't even really tried in 30.

Why would that be the Hunt family policy? Doesn't seem to make sense.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And now you understand why I think it's silly to throw money at 1 defensive player and think that magically fixes everything.

that's a double edge sword

just like thinking 1 defensive player wont fix everything is no different than the other side of the coin that thinks a Sanders Commings/Hussain Abdullah is going to fix everything.

And the Ted Thompson Way in 2014, he signed 1 notable defensive player with the idea of "magically" fixing his defense next season so far. (actually two if you count keeping their in house FA to a contract as well)

So this idea that Ted Thompson doesn't spend is a farce. John Dorsey doesn't spend, so far that's true. I'd rather 1 quality FA with the money than 5 JAGs. Like Dorsey has done so far.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

Im not disagreeing that there haven't been times that these quarterbacks haven't had amazing talent, but to say they haven't had GREAT help is a understatement.

U mentioned Brady made the afc champions game with average defense etc and WR's, but with brady I mentioned the SYSTEM he is in, not the talent around him aka. why I referenced Cassel as 11-6 in that system but then came here and suked a$$...

Peyton also has had BOTH Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne as WR's and then had great wideouts after Marvin retired..

Brady had Randy Moss in his prime along with other top notch receivers like Welker, who most claim Welker is the Broncos workhorse...

So Both of these quarterbacks have had tremendous help in there supporting casts, wether it be talent or coaching staff, but Tom bradys coaching staff is already booked for the Hall of fame and 10x over.

I disagree. Wayne has been a steady presence, but Peyton has almost never had a good running game and he was largely throwing to very average receivers like Gonzalez or Collie. Not to mention bad defenses he had to carry.

The Cassel example isn't a good one. Cassel went 11-6, but keep in mind that Brady took that same team to a perfect season. Cassel won games that year because of insane talent, more than system. While Brady has had some years throwing to insane talent, he has had a ton of years where he's carried receivers like Amendola or Reche Caldwell to deep playoff runs. Look what he did last year, even missing Welker and two elite tight ends.

Sure, they have some talent around them. But their defenses haven't been good lately, and they have just as much success throwing to average talent as they have had throwing to elite talent.