Jaworski rates Chiefs QB at No. 20 among NFL starters

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

stupid post is stupid

I was being a smartass. You know all of those whinny little pussies that think we should have taken a mid to late round QB with the #1 overall. That is what those stupid ****s have been saying for years.
They don't care about who or how good. They just want us to draft one. **** it is their attitude. That is what is stupid Laz!

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I was being a smartass. You know all of those whinny little pussies that think we should have taken a mid to late round QB with the #1 overall. That is what those stupid ****s have been saying for years.
They don't care about who or how good. They just want us to draft one. **** it is their attitude. That is what is stupid Laz!

I think most of the reasonable guys who are anti-Alex Smith trade have a stance that is different than this.

Basically, that a shot a mediocrity with Alex Smith in 2013 and 2014 is less desirable than taking a shot with a QB who can potentially be better than 15-22nd best in the NFL.

Disliking the price given up for Alex Smith is not just about passing on a QB in Rnds. 1, 2, 3 in this year's draft. It's also about how much more difficult it will make it to acquire a QB early in next year's draft.

Not in position to take the guy you want because your team went 7-9 or 8-8, Andy Reid? Good luck moving up for that QB without your 2nd/3rd round pick.

That's not to mention the fear the Chiefs will commit to Alex Smith long-term before he proves he can be more than an average game manager that can't win playoff games (unless he's playing the 31st D in the NFL).

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think most of the reasonable guys who are anti-Alex Smith trade have a stance that is different than this.

Basically, that a shot a mediocrity with Alex Smith in 2013 and 2014 is less desirable than taking a shot with a QB who can potentially be better than 15-22nd best in the NFL.

Disliking the price given up for Alex Smith is not just about passing on a QB in Rnds. 1, 2, 3 in this year's draft. It's also about how much more difficult it will make it to acquire a QB early in next year's draft.

Not in position to take the guy you want because your team went 7-9 or 8-8, Andy Reid? Good luck moving up for that QB without your 2nd/3rd round pick.

That's not to mention the fear the Chiefs will commit to Alex Smith long-term before he proves he can be more than an average game manager that can't win playoff games (unless he's playing the 31st D in the NFL).

Those guys are few and far between on here.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Those guys are few and far between on here.

i don't believe we are as few as you might think

trading for Alex Smith costs us so much it just kills .... KILLS


still makes my stomach hurt

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Those guys are few and far between on here.

Me
Laz
Sacc
milkman
SNR

That's 5 off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing a few.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Me
Laz
Sacc
milkman
SNR

That's 5 off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing a few.

Oookay I wouldn't call everyone on that list reasonable about anything Alex Smith.

Reasonable is not bashing the shit out of everything. Reasonable is this is not what I wanted but it was the best option at the time. We will have to move on again quickly from another QB definitely sucks but I prefer this to another year of Cassel ****ing everything up.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Oookay I wouldn't call everyone on that list reasonable about anything Alex Smith.

Reasonable is not bashing the shit out of everything. Reasonable is this is not what I wanted but it was the best option at the time. We will have to move on again quickly from another QB definitely sucks but I prefer this to another year of Cassel ****ing everything up.

True Alex Smith was pretty much the only option if we are trying to win right away. Another year of Matt Cassel would be like eating a shit sandwich, and a year of Alex Smith is like eating a Taco Bell Bean and Cheese Burrito that has been left out in the sun in August in El Paso for a couple days. It still sucks, but it definitely is not like eating a pure shit sandwich.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Oookay I wouldn't call everyone on that list reasonable about anything Alex Smith.

Reasonable is not bashing the shit out of everything. Reasonable is this is not what I wanted but it was the best option at the time. We will have to move on again quickly from another QB definitely sucks but I prefer this to another year of Cassel ****ing everything up.

That's your definition of reasonable.

Reasonable does NOT mean accepting "best option at this time" or saying "I prefer this to another bad year."

I will bash the shit out of the decision to trade for Alex Smith because they paid a huge price for limited upside. Sure, they'll be better in 2013 than they would have been if they'd acquired a cheaper (in terms of trade cost) option, but the difference is likely 5-6 wins vs. 7-9. BFD.

Reasonable is saying you disagree and making an attempt to explain it.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Oookay I wouldn't call everyone on that list reasonable about anything Alex Smith.

Reasonable is not bashing the shit out of everything. Reasonable is this is not what I wanted but it was the best option at the time. We will have to move on again quickly from another QB definitely sucks but I prefer this to another year of Cassel ****ing everything up.

Basically reasonable = agreeing with me.

Yeah, right. I'm still going to fight this for years to come that giving up the farm for Alex ****ing Smith was NOT the best option on the table.

And unfortunately for the Chiefs, I've got a pretty strong feeling that I'm right on this one.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

Basically reasonable = agreeing with me.

Yeah, right. I'm still going to fight this for years to come that giving up the farm for Alex ****ing Smith was NOT the best option on the table.

And unfortunately for the Chiefs, I've got a pretty strong feeling that I'm right on this one.

I really don't care that much about the picks they gave up. To me, the big debate is going to be whether Geno Smith or E.J. Manuel are true QBOTFs. Not just better than Smith, but franchise QBs. I thought Geno could be, but I'm not liking what I'm hearing about him post-draft.

I don't think they are. If they aren't, I don't mind the Alex Smith trade as much as long as we get a true franchise QB in the next 3 years (because it's probably not Alex Smith). It's possible Smith helps Reid build an offensive identity. I think Reid is going to tinker a bunch with some innovative offensive looks. This is one of those few times the scheme might justify the QB, as long as you don't hold on to the QB that long.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by SNR

Basically reasonable = agreeing with me.

So you admit that you are not reasonable then.
Reasonable is not an extreme. Reasonable is not that there is only one way.
It wouldn't have mattered what this front office did short of drafting a QB that was not worthy of our 1st overall that would have made you or many others happy.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think most of the reasonable guys who are anti-Alex Smith trade have a stance that is different than this.

Basically, that a shot a mediocrity with Alex Smith in 2013 and 2014 is less desirable than taking a shot with a QB who can potentially be better than 15-22nd best in the NFL.

Disliking the price given up for Alex Smith is not just about passing on a QB in Rnds. 1, 2, 3 in this year's draft. It's also about how much more difficult it will make it to acquire a QB early in next year's draft.

Not in position to take the guy you want because your team went 7-9 or 8-8, Andy Reid? Good luck moving up for that QB without your 2nd/3rd round pick.

That's not to mention the fear the Chiefs will commit to Alex Smith long-term before he proves he can be more than an average game manager that can't win playoff games (unless he's playing the 31st D in the NFL).

I guess my expectations are a little higher than yours.

We have a starting NFL QB who was 13-3 two seasons ago, and had his team on pace for something similar last season at 6-2 before suffering a concussion.

I'm not expecting 7-9 or 8-8 as the ceiling for this team. Not by a long shot.

Sure, Smith was not great out of the gate as an NFL QB. But the last two season he completed 64% of his passes for 30 TD's and 10 INT's.

In the playoffs, he out dueled the best QB in the league that season in Brees, who threw for almost 5,500 yards, in a great 4th quarter. Smith made plays when he had to. Not once, but twice. 3 TD's and 0 INT's in that game on 42 passing attempts.

Against the Giants, he had his team in position to win, but didn't. We have been through reasons why many times. I tend to side with the muffed punts being the reason, but that is JMO. For the record, 2 TD's, 0 INT's.

I don't think it is being unreasonable to expect our team to compete for championships... starting this season.

And sure, I would like to have a drafted QB we can call our own like the 3 teams last season, but that doesn't guarantee Super Bowl. Look at Dan Marino. Super Bowl 2nd season, never made it back. The 49ers may never make it back under Kaep's watch. Time will tell.

In the mean time, I expect more this season than 7-9 to 8-8.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I guess my expectations are a little higher than yours.

We have a starting NFL QB who was 13-3 two seasons ago, and had his team on pace for something similar last season at 6-2 before suffering a concussion.

I'm not expecting 7-9 or 8-8 as the ceiling for this team. Not by a long shot.

Sure, Smith was not great out of the gate as an NFL QB. But the last two season he completed 64% of his passes for 30 TD's and 10 INT's.

In the playoffs, he out dueled the best QB in the league that season in Brees, who threw for almost 5,500 yards, in a great 4th quarter. Smith made plays when he had to. Not once, but twice. 3 TD's and 0 INT's in that game on 42 passing attempts.

Against the Giants, he had his team in position to win, but didn't. We have been through reasons why many times. I tend to side with the muffed punts being the reason, but that is JMO. For the record, 2 TD's, 0 INT's.

I don't think it is being unreasonable to expect our team to compete for championships... starting this season.

And sure, I would like to have a drafted QB we can call our own like the 3 teams last season, but that doesn't guarantee Super Bowl. Look at Dan Marino. Super Bowl 2nd season, never made it back. The 49ers may never make it back under Kaep's watch. Time will tell.

In the mean time, I expect more this season than 7-9 to 8-8.

I don't think the 49ers defense is walking through that door. Smith has similar offensive weapons to what he had in San Fancisco (though I don't think KC has a pass catcher who presents the pass catching matchup problems that Vernon Davis does), but the D that carried Smith is not here.

I will not put the same stock in that Saints win that you do. The saints d was terrible, and smiths performance against it was average against that team for the year.

His performance is a big part of why they lost the next game.

I can see 5-6 more wins this year. But even if they win 8 more, that's still likely nothing more than another empty playoff birth. Not worth the price.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don't think the 49ers defense is walking through that door. Smith has similar offensive weapons to what he had in San Fancisco (though I don't think KC has a pass catcher who presents the pass catching matchup problems that Vernon Davis does), but the D that carried Smith is not here.

I will not put the same stock in that Saints win that you do. The saints d was terrible, and smiths performance against it was average against that team for the year.

His performance is a big part of why they lost the next game.

I can see 5-6 more wins this year. But even if they win 8 more, that's still likely nothing more than another empty playoff birth. Not worth the price.

Fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion. I just don't happen to agree.

And FWIW, I consider myself reasonable too!

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion. I just don't happen to agree.

And FWIW, I consider myself reasonable too!

I appreciate your point of view even if I disagree with it. You're reasonable and logical and have made me think about some things I otherwise would have.