Do you blame LJ for the fumble and/or loss?

**Rain Man** · 10-03-2005, 08:45 AM

While I know it's the running back's responsibility to control the handoff, it's obvious from the replays that Johnson never had the ball. It's not like he was careless with it, or wasn't protecting it. It was just a bad exchange.

Pffft. (Dismissive hand wave.)

siberian khatru · 10-03-2005, 08:48 AM

He got hit right after he got the handoff, which didn't help.

I thought Aikman made a good point: LJ didn't give Trent much of a "pocket" to insert the ball. I suspect LJ saw the Eagles guy running up to fill that hole and it distracted him.

So, blame the Eagles guy for influencing the play, but blame LJ for not doing his job.

ArrowheadHawk · 10-03-2005, 08:51 AM

if he can go the rest of the year without a fumble then i say its not his fault but if he turns into ahmed green then we have a problem

RedThat · 10-03-2005, 08:53 AM

I partially blame him, but not entirely. His mistake definately set the tone, momemtum in Phillys favor, no doubt. However, this was a total team failure from both players and coaching.

keg in kc · 10-03-2005, 09:23 AM

Yes and no.

Yes because he never secured the ball, and that's job #1.

No because Kearse was in his grill so fast. Hell, he might have dropped the ball from sheer shock. There's no excuse for that kind of a breakdown in blocking.

**KC Dan** · 10-03-2005, 09:26 AM

I don't blame LJ, I don't blame Trent, I place the blame on DV & AS for having LJ in the game to begin with. Priest was having a good 1st half & should have been in the game. If he is ineffective, then pull him for LJ

Dr. Johnny Fever · 10-03-2005, 09:31 AM

It would have been nice if someone had blocked the Eagles player on that play so LJ would have had a chance. Then it would have been nice if the coaches wouldn't have made bone-headed descisions. Then it would have been nice if the players could have found the resiliance and heart to not blow it completely.

bkkcoh · 10-03-2005, 10:17 AM

i would tend to agree with some that have said that the changing of the rb's isn't a good thing, especially when 1 of the rb's is going good. I would have to say that Priest was doing just that. Like was mentioned last week, it doesn't seem like LJ hits the hole like he needs to, it is almost like he has reverted back to his first or early second year where he is thinking too much and not just exploding through the hole.

Trent never was the same after the INT was returned and the Eagle score right before the end of the 1st half was big. But even bigger was the inability to stop them on their first drive of the 2nd half. That was the double-edged sword.

digi2fish · 10-03-2005, 09:36 AM

the coach should know to send the RB in better shape on the field, can't blame it on the players.

htismaqe · 10-03-2005, 09:37 AM

The turning point in the game wasn't LJ's fumble.

The idea that the Eagles seized momentum before halftime is horseshit.

The Chiefs made no adjustments at halftime, on offense or defense, and lost by 6, despite leading at the half by 11.

Don't blame LJ. Blame the COACHES.

Chiefnj · 10-03-2005, 09:40 AM

All of the turnovers hurt. All of the missed tackles and missed sacks hurt. The defensive coaching scheme hurt. The offensive coaching scheme in the 2nd half hurt. It was an all around team and coaching loss, just like the Broncos game.

brent102fire · 10-03-2005, 09:43 AM

Whatever

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jspchief · 10-03-2005, 09:39 AM

I blame the coaches for putting LJ in when Holmes was shredding. I'm tired of this fucking experiment. Let the best RB in Chiefs history run the damn ball.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-03-2005, 09:42 AM

Coaches choked on this one. Plain and simple. You can't blame the coaches for the fumble, but the circumstances that created it (playing LJ to begin with) are definately coaching issues.

onescrewleftuntwisted · 10-03-2005, 10:11 AM

View Poll Results: Do you blame LJ for the fumble and/or loss?
The fumble was just a bad luck event, and it wasn't the backbreaker the media says.	17	18.48%
The fumble was indeed LJ's fault, but it wasn't the backbreaker the media says.	19	20.65%
The fumble was just a bad luck event, but it let them back into the game and shifted the momentum permanently.	24	26.09%
The fumble was indeed LJ's fault, and it let them back into the game and shifted the momentum permanently.	30	32.61%
What fumble? What game? Did Willie Roaf play?	2	2.17%
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10-03-2005, 08:45 AM	Topic Starter
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3338491 VARSITY	Do you blame LJ for the fumble and/or loss? While I know it's the running back's responsibility to control the handoff, it's obvious from the replays that Johnson never had the ball. It's not like he was careless with it, or wasn't protecting it. It was just a bad exchange. Pffft. (Dismissive hand wave.)
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10-03-2005, 08:48 AM	#2
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2564950	He got hit right after he got the handoff, which didn't help. I thought Aikman made a good point: LJ didn't give Trent much of a "pocket" to insert the ball. I suspect LJ saw the Eagles guy running up to fill that hole and it distracted him. So, blame the Eagles guy for influencing the play, but blame LJ for not doing his job.
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10-03-2005, 08:51 AM	#3
ArrowheadHawk Rock Chalk! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Casino cash: $8004961	if he can go the rest of the year without a fumble then i say its not his fault but if he turns into ahmed green then we have a problem
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10-03-2005, 08:53 AM	#4
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I partially blame him, but not entirely. His mistake definately set the tone, momemtum in Phillys favor, no doubt. However, this was a total team failure from both players and coaching.
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10-03-2005, 09:23 AM	#5
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Yes and no. Yes because he never secured the ball, and that's job #1. No because Kearse was in his grill so fast. Hell, he might have dropped the ball from sheer shock. There's no excuse for that kind of a breakdown in blocking.
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10-03-2005, 09:26 AM	#6
KC Dan Red, White & Blue for the U.S. Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Great Northwest now.. Casino cash: $1634235	I don't blame LJ, I don't blame Trent, I place the blame on DV & AS for having LJ in the game to begin with. Priest was having a good 1st half & should have been in the game. If he is ineffective, then pull him for LJ __________________ "And if you don't know where you're going Any road will take you there" - George Harrison
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10-03-2005, 09:31 AM	#7
Dr. Johnny Fever stax of wax Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	It would have been nice if someone had blocked the Eagles player on that play so LJ would have had a chance. Then it would have been nice if the coaches wouldn't have made bone-headed descisions. Then it would have been nice if the players could have found the resiliance and heart to not blow it completely. __________________ courtesy of BoneKrusher "Baseball? It's just a game. As simple as a ball and bat, yet as complex as the American spirit it symbolizes. It's a sport, a business and sometimes a religion." Ernie Harwell
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10-03-2005, 10:17 AM	#8
bkkcoh MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lewis Center, Ohio USA Casino cash: $9805595	i would tend to agree with some that have said that the changing of the rb's isn't a good thing, especially when 1 of the rb's is going good. I would have to say that Priest was doing just that. Like was mentioned last week, it doesn't seem like LJ hits the hole like he needs to, it is almost like he has reverted back to his first or early second year where he is thinking too much and not just exploding through the hole. Trent never was the same after the INT was returned and the Eagle score right before the end of the 1st half was big. But even bigger was the inability to stop them on their first drive of the 2nd half. That was the double-edged sword. __________________ Brian K. Aspire to Inspire before you Expire
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10-03-2005, 09:36 AM	#9
digi2fish Your Asian Chief Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Casino cash: $10004900	the coach should know to send the RB in better shape on the field, can't blame it on the players. __________________ 堪薩斯 = Kansas / 市 = City / 酋長 = Chiefs 驢子 = doncos / 看到驢子輸球就很爽 = always a pleasure to see the doncos lose I'm the noontime nitecrew
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10-03-2005, 09:37 AM	#10
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	The turning point in the game wasn't LJ's fumble. The idea that the Eagles seized momentum before halftime is horseshit. The Chiefs made no adjustments at halftime, on offense or defense, and lost by 6, despite leading at the half by 11. Don't blame LJ. Blame the COACHES.
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10-03-2005, 09:40 AM	#11
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	All of the turnovers hurt. All of the missed tackles and missed sacks hurt. The defensive coaching scheme hurt. The offensive coaching scheme in the 2nd half hurt. It was an all around team and coaching loss, just like the Broncos game.
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10-03-2005, 09:43 AM	#12
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10-03-2005, 09:39 AM	#13
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	I blame the coaches for putting LJ in when Holmes was shredding. I'm tired of this fucking experiment. Let the best RB in Chiefs history run the damn ball. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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10-03-2005, 09:42 AM	#14
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $3894937	Coaches choked on this one. Plain and simple. You can't blame the coaches for the fumble, but the circumstances that created it (playing LJ to begin with) are definately coaching issues. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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10-03-2005, 10:11 AM	#15
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