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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-31-2014, 02:43 PM

KC Chiefs staffing changes could be on the horizon

Players and coaches rarely talk about the business side of the game, but they all know it’s there.

That’s why, following the Chiefs’ season-ending win over the San Diego Chargers on Sunday, Chiefs punter Dustin Colquitt made sure he let special-teams coach Dave Toub — who has interviewed for at least two NFL head coaching jobs in the past — know exactly how Colquitt feels about him.

“I told him after the game, ‘Don’t you be going anywhere on me,’ ” Colquitt said with a laugh. “He’s done a lot of great things in Kansas City. (Coach) Andy (Reid) really trusts Dave. You can see those guys … they have a great monster going on in Kansas City.”

Reservations about the Chiefs’ 2-4 slide down the stretch aside, Colquitt is right. Reid and general manager John Dorsey are 20-12 in their two years in Kansas City. That’s what NFL people call a “winning organization,” and losing teams love poaching members of their coaching and scouting staffs.

The Chiefs would seem to have at two potential candidates for such a move. The first, obviously, is Toub, who interviewed for the Dolphins’ head-coaching position in 2011 and the Bears’ top job in 2013 and could again find himself in the mix for a job after the Falcons, Jets and Bears all fired their head coaches on Monday.

The second is director of pro personnel Chris Ballard, who turned down an opportunity to interview for the Tampa Bay job last season. The Jets and the Bears fired their general managers on Monday, and Ballard could figure into the mix there.

Chicago, in particular, would seem to be a good fit, as Ballard has a history with the Bears. He spent 12 seasons there, including one as their director of pro scouting in 2012. Ballard spent the previous 11 years as the Bears’ Southwest area scout and helped draft Pro Bowlers Matt Forte, Tommie Harris, Johnny Knox, Charles Tillman and Nathan Vasher.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey said Monday he has not been approached by a team seeking to interview Ballard, but would not stand in his way if one does.

“I hear speculation, but you know what, I think anybody that knows me understands what my philosophy is, and that is I don’t think you hold back an opportunity,” Dorsey said. “You don’t do that, I think everybody knows that.

“But until something comes across, you know, I don’t know yet. I haven’t received anything yet. But do I think he can handle it? I do.”

Reid also had kind words for Ballard, who essentially functions as Dorsey’s right-hand man.

“Chris is a tremendous person, very sharp at what he does from the personnel side of things,” Reid said. “He and Dorse work hand-in-hand. I think he has a bright future in this business, quite potentially as a general manager.”

What would the Chiefs lose if he left?

“Probably those things I mentioned,” Reid said. “He’s a good person and he has the ability to help another team. We’ll cross all that when that takes place. But he’s surely worthy of getting an opportunity.”

Dorsey said the speculation surrounding Ballard’s potential departure is simply the price you pay for hiring good people.

“You try to surround yourself with as many good evaluators as you possibly can,” Dorsey said. “I think we’ve done that, and we will continue to do that. That’s part of the process. It’s our job to teach and learn as we move forward here, so in case something happens, God forbid, somebody can fill that role. That’s why you teach.”

In the same vein, Reid was asked whether he’d be surprised if the Bears took another look at Toub, who coached a dominant special-teams unit in Chicago from 2004 to 2012.

“They know Dave, so I’m sure those are pretty good dots to connect,” Reid said. “You know what I think of Dave. I think he’d be phenomenal. I’d put him in that John Harbaugh category. I think the special-teams coaches are probably as ready as anybody to be head coaches because they have to deal with (the media) and your whole staff. They’re also the ones that don’t seem to become head coaches very often for whatever reason. But I think Dave would do pretty good.”

In addition to Toub perennially fielding one of the league’s best special-teams units, players say he is a good communicator.

As the special-teams coach, Toub speaks to the entire team daily, and he has a reputation for demanding effort and holding players accountable.

Colquitt also praised Toub’s ability to tailor his message to the person.

“He understands we’re not typical football players — we’re a different animal,” Colquitt said of kickers and punters. “So you’re basically dealing with pitchers, a specialized person coming in that has a specific role. You can’t be too high, can’t be too down, so he keeps us on an even keel, and he’s always been good about putting us in good situations.”

Colquitt cited Toub’s handling of Cairo Santos, who rallied to convert 25 of 30 field goals after missing two of his first four kicks, as evidence of this.

“He’s protected our rookie kicker who really had a great year, bounced back from a tough start and Dave kind of managed him,” Colquitt said. “He never made it seem like he was in trouble. Anytime where I was having bad games, he’s like ‘Hey, we’ve always got next week.’ He was good about managing us, for sure.”

That’s why Colquitt maintains it will be bittersweet for him if Toub were to leave at some point, whether it be this year, next year or somewhere down the line. But that’s life in the NFL, and this is the time of year where — if you’ve got a strong organization — those types of things are bound to happen.

“It’s one of those things where if he gets some head-coaching interest, obviously he’s got to dive on that opportunity because that doesn’t come around every day,” Colquitt said. “But like Andy, I want those guys to stay here for a long time. I’ve been here for a long time, and this has been a great regime, a good family atmosphere.”
Reid hasn’t though about changes

Reid hasn’t though about changes

While Chiefs coach Andy Reid made it clear that he sees special-teams coach Dave Toub as head-coach material, he was slightly less definitive Monday when asked if he intends to make any voluntary changes to his coaching staff this offseason.

“Not at this moment as we stand here,” Reid said. “I really haven’t even thought about that, to be honest with you. That’s know where I’m at right now. I didn’t think the season would be over right now.”

The Chiefs only made one significant move to their coaching staff last offseason, when they hired former Missouri star Brock Olivo to replace assistant special-teams coach Kevin O’Dea, who left to become Tampa Bay’s special-teams coordinator.

**Iowanian** · 12-31-2014, 04:00 PM

I don't see that Childress is earning his check......The offensive line has struggled for 2 seasons and Fisher sure isn't improving much. The WR's group didn't catch a single touchdown for what...the past 19 games?

It seems to me there could be some very GOOD change.

Honestly, I wish Reid would get an offensive Coordinator that he trusted to actually coordinate the offense and call plays so he could stop F-ing up time management.

**the Talking Can** · 12-31-2014, 04:09 PM

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What would the Chiefs lose if he left?

“Probably those things I mentioned,” Reid said.

Nightfyre · 12-31-2014, 04:13 PM

Reid should probably just get a time management coordinator.

Nightfyre · 12-31-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Waiting for what?

Again, they had success with scrub players. The only player they actually invested a decent draft pick in seems to be ascending. How many high round Corners have the Chiefs invested in?

The Fact remains, they got valuable production out of shit players. Until the Chiefs invest into the position im not sure what you expect. How many secondary coaches are turning UDFA into Pro Bowlers? Yet you expect these guys to magically make that happen?

Seems awfully unrealistic.

And again, S.Smith probably had one of the best seasons of his career under them. A Secondary that didn't allow a 300 yard passer all season, turned scrubs like Ron Parker and Jamel Fleming into contributors and you think they did a shit job?

C'mon now.....

It's not like Thomas didn't help bring along Carr, Flowers and Berry as well.
This year, Smith, Gaines, Fleming and Abdullah outperformed their expectations at a minimum. I love me some emmitt Thomas. He can stay forever.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-31-2014, 04:21 PM

The secondary coaches, IMO, have been brilliant. Who in the world thought the Chiefs would be #1 against the pass without Eric Berry and with guys like Parker, Fleming, Coleman and rookie Gaines? Their record speaks for itself.

I have no problem with Culley. Dexter McCluster had a breakout year in 2013, which led to a nice contract in 2014, only to fall way back to Earth in Tennessee. DAT improved as the season wore and rookie free agent Albert Wilson looked like the Chiefs best and most reliable receiver at season's end.

My biggest concern is offensive line coaching. But in all honesty, is it a lack of talent and inexperience (Fulton, Fisher), or a just outright bad players (McGlynn, Linkenbach)? Hudson has matured nicely but with Allen's injury and Stephenson's stint in the doghouse, I find it really difficult to assess Heck and Chung.

There's just too many variables but I'd the line sucks in 2015, I expect firings and a near overhaul of players.

**Ragged Robin** · 12-31-2014, 04:23 PM

they can go ahead and can Culley's ass please, yeah he's dealt a shit hand with lack of talent and personnel but someone has to be accountable for the complete lapses in fundamental football like constantly doing dumbass things like stepping out of bounds, tripping for no reason, fumbling (avery+bowe), dropped balls, not landing feet in bounds, etc.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-31-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I don't see that Childress is earning his check......The offensive line has struggled for 2 seasons and Fisher sure isn't improving much. The WR's group didn't catch a single touchdown for what...the past 19 games?

It seems to me there could be some very GOOD change.

Honestly, I wish Reid would get an offensive Coordinator that he trusted to actually coordinate the offense and call plays so he could stop F-ing up time management.

Don't have a problem with chilly. If they want to pay him to do what he does and it doesn't affect the cap, have at it. The Chiefs have a really innovative screen game, incorporated some interesting read option, and did some neat things with 3 te sets. He's not the problem. Reid has to call better plays, Alex Smith has to execute better, and the talent has to improve.

ILChief · 12-31-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

How about if we choose to lose some of the shitty ones as well.

Andy Heck? Eugene Chung?
Oline hasn't improved much all year.

David Culley?
Wide receivers are ass.

Emmit Thomas and Al Harris?
still waiting on some significant develop of young talent in the secondary

Seriously you are bagging on our DBs coach? They have done a fantastic job this year.

Mr. Laz · 12-31-2014, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

In fairness to Culley, Jerry Rice couldn't get this core to do shit. They suck. No talent there besides Bowe

fair enough, then Dorsey is ass and maybe we should look elsewhere for GM

somebody ain't getting it done

Mr. Laz · 12-31-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It is absolutely nuts that anyone is questioning our secondary right now. Our secondary played way above their heads this year.

OL and WRs coach... sure, wouldn't mind a change. If they could somehow weasel Sparano to coach our OL, that would be awesome, but that's a pipe dream.

wait, you said Dorsey is doing a great job and that this team is more talented now.

now you're are claiming 'it's not the coaches fault, it's poor talent'

make up your homer mind

WhiteWhale · 12-31-2014, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

How about if we choose to lose some of the shitty ones as well.

Andy Heck? Eugene Chung?
Oline hasn't improved much all year.

David Culley?
Wide receivers are ass.

Emmit Thomas and Al Harris?
still waiting on some significant develop of young talent in the secondary

Nearly everyone on this forum said we had the worst secondary in the NFL talent-wise before the season.

KC finishes with 2nd best pass defense in yards allowed

KC fan wants to dump the coaches.

You can't make this shit up.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-31-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

wait, you said Dorsey is doing a great job and that this team is more talented now.

now you're are claiming 'it's not the coaches fault, it's poor talent'

make up your homer mind

What the **** are you talking about? Why does it have to be one or the other? The secondary is better. Period. That is a combo of bringing in good cheap talent and good coaching. Sutton wanted certain guys and Dorsey delivered without spending very much money.

Mr. Laz · 12-31-2014, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Nearly everyone on this forum said we had the worst secondary in the NFL talent-wise before the season.

KC finishes with 2nd best pass defense in yards allowed

KC fan wants to dump the coaches.

You can't make this shit up.

Emmitt Thomas inherited flowers and Carr

Sean Smith learned elsewhere
Berry was an elite draft pick and is still about the same
Adbullah brought in

So who has he developed?

Arenas?

chiefzilla1501 · 12-31-2014, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Emmitt Thomas inherited flowers and Carr

Sean Smith learned elsewhere
Berry was an elite draft pick and is still about the same
Adbullah brought in

So who has he developed?

Arenas?

Consider this...
This year, the Chiefs cut Brandon Flowers who costed > $10M

The top 7 defensive backs for the Chiefs in 2014 (taking Berry out, since he didn't play much of the season) costed us < $10M.

All 7 players were brought in by Dorsey
Take away Sean Smith's contract and the next 6 contracts are ~$4M COMBINED

Final ranking: Chiefs were the #2 pass defense in the NFL

The #2 ranked pass defense using 7 guys who cost an average of barely over $1M, and we're going to rag on Dorsey and our D-backs coaches? Really?

Nightfyre · 12-31-2014, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Emmitt Thomas inherited flowers and Carr

Sean Smith learned elsewhere
Berry was an elite draft pick and is still about the same
Adbullah brought in

So who has he developed?

Arenas?

"all 7 of those guys had talent BEFORE they worked with Emmitt Thomas."

Emmitt Thomas has been a part of career years for all of these players - no matter where they were acquired from. also, Gaines? Fleming? Smith was a ball of suck before Thomas. Abdullah was out of the game for a long time before Thomas.

12-31-2014, 02:43 PM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $792813	Paylor:KC Chiefs staffing changes could be on the horizon KC Chiefs staffing changes could be on the horizon Players and coaches rarely talk about the business side of the game, but they all know it’s there. That’s why, following the Chiefs’ season-ending win over the San Diego Chargers on Sunday, Chiefs punter Dustin Colquitt made sure he let special-teams coach Dave Toub — who has interviewed for at least two NFL head coaching jobs in the past — know exactly how Colquitt feels about him. “I told him after the game, ‘Don’t you be going anywhere on me,’ ” Colquitt said with a laugh. “He’s done a lot of great things in Kansas City. (Coach) Andy (Reid) really trusts Dave. You can see those guys … they have a great monster going on in Kansas City.” Reservations about the Chiefs’ 2-4 slide down the stretch aside, Colquitt is right. Reid and general manager John Dorsey are 20-12 in their two years in Kansas City. That’s what NFL people call a “winning organization,” and losing teams love poaching members of their coaching and scouting staffs. The Chiefs would seem to have at two potential candidates for such a move. The first, obviously, is Toub, who interviewed for the Dolphins’ head-coaching position in 2011 and the Bears’ top job in 2013 and could again find himself in the mix for a job after the Falcons, Jets and Bears all fired their head coaches on Monday. The second is director of pro personnel Chris Ballard, who turned down an opportunity to interview for the Tampa Bay job last season. The Jets and the Bears fired their general managers on Monday, and Ballard could figure into the mix there. Chicago, in particular, would seem to be a good fit, as Ballard has a history with the Bears. He spent 12 seasons there, including one as their director of pro scouting in 2012. Ballard spent the previous 11 years as the Bears’ Southwest area scout and helped draft Pro Bowlers Matt Forte, Tommie Harris, Johnny Knox, Charles Tillman and Nathan Vasher. Chiefs general manager John Dorsey said Monday he has not been approached by a team seeking to interview Ballard, but would not stand in his way if one does. “I hear speculation, but you know what, I think anybody that knows me understands what my philosophy is, and that is I don’t think you hold back an opportunity,” Dorsey said. “You don’t do that, I think everybody knows that. “But until something comes across, you know, I don’t know yet. I haven’t received anything yet. But do I think he can handle it? I do.” Reid also had kind words for Ballard, who essentially functions as Dorsey’s right-hand man. “Chris is a tremendous person, very sharp at what he does from the personnel side of things,” Reid said. “He and Dorse work hand-in-hand. I think he has a bright future in this business, quite potentially as a general manager.” What would the Chiefs lose if he left? “Probably those things I mentioned,” Reid said. “He’s a good person and he has the ability to help another team. We’ll cross all that when that takes place. But he’s surely worthy of getting an opportunity.” Dorsey said the speculation surrounding Ballard’s potential departure is simply the price you pay for hiring good people. “You try to surround yourself with as many good evaluators as you possibly can,” Dorsey said. “I think we’ve done that, and we will continue to do that. That’s part of the process. It’s our job to teach and learn as we move forward here, so in case something happens, God forbid, somebody can fill that role. That’s why you teach.” In the same vein, Reid was asked whether he’d be surprised if the Bears took another look at Toub, who coached a dominant special-teams unit in Chicago from 2004 to 2012. “They know Dave, so I’m sure those are pretty good dots to connect,” Reid said. “You know what I think of Dave. I think he’d be phenomenal. I’d put him in that John Harbaugh category. I think the special-teams coaches are probably as ready as anybody to be head coaches because they have to deal with (the media) and your whole staff. They’re also the ones that don’t seem to become head coaches very often for whatever reason. But I think Dave would do pretty good.” In addition to Toub perennially fielding one of the league’s best special-teams units, players say he is a good communicator. As the special-teams coach, Toub speaks to the entire team daily, and he has a reputation for demanding effort and holding players accountable. Colquitt also praised Toub’s ability to tailor his message to the person. “He understands we’re not typical football players — we’re a different animal,” Colquitt said of kickers and punters. “So you’re basically dealing with pitchers, a specialized person coming in that has a specific role. You can’t be too high, can’t be too down, so he keeps us on an even keel, and he’s always been good about putting us in good situations.” Colquitt cited Toub’s handling of Cairo Santos, who rallied to convert 25 of 30 field goals after missing two of his first four kicks, as evidence of this. “He’s protected our rookie kicker who really had a great year, bounced back from a tough start and Dave kind of managed him,” Colquitt said. “He never made it seem like he was in trouble. Anytime where I was having bad games, he’s like ‘Hey, we’ve always got next week.’ He was good about managing us, for sure.” That’s why Colquitt maintains it will be bittersweet for him if Toub were to leave at some point, whether it be this year, next year or somewhere down the line. But that’s life in the NFL, and this is the time of year where — if you’ve got a strong organization — those types of things are bound to happen. “It’s one of those things where if he gets some head-coaching interest, obviously he’s got to dive on that opportunity because that doesn’t come around every day,” Colquitt said. “But like Andy, I want those guys to stay here for a long time. I’ve been here for a long time, and this has been a great regime, a good family atmosphere.” Reid hasn’t though about changes Reid hasn’t though about changes While Chiefs coach Andy Reid made it clear that he sees special-teams coach Dave Toub as head-coach material, he was slightly less definitive Monday when asked if he intends to make any voluntary changes to his coaching staff this offseason. “Not at this moment as we stand here,” Reid said. “I really haven’t even thought about that, to be honest with you. That’s know where I’m at right now. I didn’t think the season would be over right now.” The Chiefs only made one significant move to their coaching staff last offseason, when they hired former Missouri star Brock Olivo to replace assistant special-teams coach Kevin O’Dea, who left to become Tampa Bay’s special-teams coordinator.
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Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4698454	I don't see that Childress is earning his check......The offensive line has struggled for 2 seasons and Fisher sure isn't improving much. The WR's group didn't catch a single touchdown for what...the past 19 games? It seems to me there could be some very GOOD change. Honestly, I wish Reid would get an offensive Coordinator that he trusted to actually coordinate the offense and call plays so he could stop F-ing up time management.
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	The secondary coaches, IMO, have been brilliant. Who in the world thought the Chiefs would be #1 against the pass without Eric Berry and with guys like Parker, Fleming, Coleman and rookie Gaines? Their record speaks for itself. I have no problem with Culley. Dexter McCluster had a breakout year in 2013, which led to a nice contract in 2014, only to fall way back to Earth in Tennessee. DAT improved as the season wore and rookie free agent Albert Wilson looked like the Chiefs best and most reliable receiver at season's end. My biggest concern is offensive line coaching. But in all honesty, is it a lack of talent and inexperience (Fulton, Fisher), or a just outright bad players (McGlynn, Linkenbach)? Hudson has matured nicely but with Allen's injury and Stephenson's stint in the doghouse, I find it really difficult to assess Heck and Chung. There's just too many variables but I'd the line sucks in 2015, I expect firings and a near overhaul of players.
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