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Old 02-27-2013, 10:59 AM  
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Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs
Well, it looks like the deal is done.



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49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith


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Deal has been agreed upon between Chiefs and 49ers. Compensation unclear but I'm told again Chiefs have made a clear commitment to Smith.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:40 PM   #5431
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Nobody is disputing that. What was being disputed is writing someone's career off before the take 1 regular season snap.
I get that. Im not writing off his career.

Im writing off his chance for success in NEW YORK....

I think if he can get out of there in two years or so, and get somewhere stable, he very well could have a very very nice career.

The jets is just a disaster.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:44 PM   #5432
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Did they give him the opportunity to start? No. Stanzi was not given that commitment to develop him like Green Bay gave to Rodgers, etc. Stanzi was drafted to be a backup, not to eventually become the future of the franchise. This is my whole point. The last guy the Chiefs did this for was Blackledge, and that was 3 decades ago.

What I'm saying is I'd like the Chiefs to take a guy, preferably with a high draft choice, and build the program around him. In my opinion this is how modern NFL franchises are successful, but my benchmarks are Superbowl champions and teams that continually make the playoffs. Maybe you have different benchmarks than mine.
Hey man, you and several others are preaching to the choir. I get it. I agree. Point is that several posters here make assumptions that they simply can't make, like
1. the chiefs could have traded down
2. the chiefs could have traded back up
We simply don't know, and I'm guessing, with guys like Dorsey and Reid running the show, that they did the best they could. I would have loved them to draft Cousins last year. Skins got him. Maybe they couldn't trade up, and maybe they had him valued lower than the skins. Doesn't really matter, because it was a different regime last year.

Point is, we are all arguing about what THIS regime did, but bringing up the history of the past three regimes over 30 years. This regime just so happened to get the 1.1 pick in a year with no 1.1 QB. Bad freakin luck. IMHO, they have don't about the best job they could've to improve the team in the time frame they have been given to date (8 months)
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:45 PM   #5433
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Nobody is disputing that. What was being disputed is writing someone's career off before the take 1 regular season snap.
you could probably say the same about the success or failure of a new regime, no?
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:46 PM   #5434
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Did they give him the opportunity to start? No. Stanzi was not given that commitment to develop him like Green Bay gave to Rodgers, etc. Stanzi was drafted to be a backup, not to eventually become the future of the franchise. This is my whole point. The last guy the Chiefs did this for was Blackledge, and that was 3 decades ago.

What I'm saying is I'd like the Chiefs to take a guy, preferably with a high draft choice, and build the program around him. In my opinion this is how modern NFL franchises are successful, but my benchmarks are Superbowl champions and teams that continually make the playoffs. Maybe you have different benchmarks than mine.
You do understand that is what Reid and Dorsey are doing with ASmith, don't you? Reid honestly believes that Smith is the perfect QB to run his scheme. He and Dorsey truly believe that he can be a Hall of Fame QB in Reid's scheme. They aren't going, "Awww, screw it." They got who they wanted. They wanted Alex Smith. Not because he is a retread, but because they think he can execute the offense better than anyone else.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:46 PM   #5435
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you could probably say the same about the success or failure of a new regime, no?
You and your logic......
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:47 PM   #5436
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again, facts don't support you. they drafted Croyle to be the guy. Couldn't stay healthy and sucked when he was
This is futile. The facts are none of these guys were drafted highly, and this is the the difference I keep pointing out. There is a big difference in commitment of a franchise to a first rounder over a 3rd or 5th rounder. But yeah, if you think the commitments shown to Croyle are perfectly equal to the commitments given to Rodgers or Flacco by their franchises, then in your own mind I guess you are going to 'win' this argument. I definitely view it differently.
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You and your logic......
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This is futile. The facts are none of these guys were drafted highly, and this is the the difference I keep pointing out. There is a big difference in commitment of a franchise to a first rounder over a 3rd or 5th rounder. But yeah, if you think the commitments shown to Croyle are perfectly equal to the commitments given to Rodgers or Flacco by their franchises, then in your own mind I guess you are going to 'win' this argument. I definitely view it differently.
when you put it that way, then yes, I agree. You stated that they haven't tried. You were wrong. But to the bigger picture, yes, I agree. I'd have liked it if the PREVIOUS three regimes would have tried more often.
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You do understand that is what Reid and Dorsey are doing with ASmith, don't you? Reid honestly believes that Smith is the perfect QB to run his scheme. He and Dorsey truly believe that he can be a Hall of Fame QB in Reid's scheme. They aren't going, "Awww, screw it." They got who they wanted. They wanted Alex Smith. Not because he is a retread, but because they think he can execute the offense better than anyone else.
Well, then the Chiefs should be a lock to make the playoffs this year, and they should be making a serious run at a SB next season.
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You do understand that is what Reid and Dorsey are doing with ASmith, don't you?
The key word in what I said was 'drafted.' 16 out of the last 20 Superbowl champions teams drafted and developed their starting Qb's. I don't think this trend is just a coincidence, do you?
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Something I've learned this morning: This thread is a lot more fun with 49er douches on iggy.

Should not have waited so long to do that.
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This is futile. The facts are none of these guys were drafted highly, and this is the the difference I keep pointing out. There is a big difference in commitment of a franchise to a first rounder over a 3rd or 5th rounder. But yeah, if you think the commitments shown to Croyle are perfectly equal to the commitments given to Rodgers or Flacco by their franchises, then in your own mind I guess you are going to 'win' this argument. I definitely view it differently.
That guy right there, should give all Chiefs fans the knowledge and comfort that if Alex Smith does indeed cost the Chiefs that second round pick next season, and they see a qb they like in the first round, they are going to take him.

Both Reid and Dorsey come from organizations that operate that way. The Eagles drafted Kolb when McNabb was still in his prime. And drafted Foles right after giving Mike Vick 100 mil.

The packers also drafted, (incorrectly mind you) Brian Brohm in the second round while not knowing what they had in Aaron Rodgers just yet.

Patience I think is the lesson everyone should learn.

At least until the whole thing blows up, and the Chiefs finish 4-12.....
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Since 1988, only 3 drafted quarterbacks by the Chiefs have played in a regular season game. Brodie Croyle is the only one to actually start. Only 5% of the games in that time span has a quarterback the Chiefs drafted played in a game and majority of it was Croyle. Just let that sink in.
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Well, then the Chiefs should be a lock to make the playoffs this year, and they should be making a serious run at a SB next season.
This is only fair. Our new regime; who were are to blindly trust got their guys at QB and RT.

Now we just wait for the playoff victories.
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Drafts - 1999-2006

One guy we missed on and could reasonably have acquired with any playoff success.

If anyone else wants to document 2007-2013, my fingers are tired.
2012, 2011 and 2008 are where it really breaks down.

All guys listed were available to KC.

2012:
Brandon Weeden
Brock Osweiler
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins

2011:
Andy Dalton
Colin Kaerpernick
Ryan Mallet
Greg McElroy

2010:

Jesus
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Colt McCoy
Garbage

2009:
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Garbage

2008:
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm
Chad Henne
Garbage
Matt Flynn

The ones that really hurt are the 2011 and 2012 drafts and passing on Flacco in 2008.
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