Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Chief Gump

If the team wins no one will bash him. If the team goes into a nose dive fans will be pissed. It is a very simple formula.

Exactly. The average fan doesn't obsess over the draft and picks like most around here.

If the team continues to win, nobody will care. Winning is all that matters to most.

[the Talking Can]

because this plan works without Aaron Rodgers...jesus


it's the new 'patriot's way'...which was always 'thank ****ing christ we lucked into Tom Brady'

[BigMeatballDave]

It was one trade. You're acting like he's made several trades.

They needed a QB. What would you have them do? I'm all for taking a QB in the first, but right now, last yrs QB class looks like ass.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BCD

It was one trade. You're acting like he's made several trades.

It was two critical picks. A good GM will get 2 solid starters out of 2nd round picks. He essentially traded two of them for Alex Smith.

Originally Posted by BCD

They needed a QB. What would you have them do? I'm all for taking a QB in the first, but right now, last yrs QB class looks like ass.

They didn't HAVE to draft a QB. Again, a GOOD GM would find a way to get a good QB without mortgaging his own draft strategy.

For all of the talk about how "garbage" last year's draft was, this year's draft is one of the BEST in recent memory.

And we're missing a 2nd round pick.

[KCwolf]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It was two critical picks. A good GM will get 2 solid starters out of 2nd round picks. He essentially traded two of them for Alex Smith.



They didn't HAVE to draft a QB. Again, a GOOD GM would find a way to get a good QB without mortgaging his own draft strategy.

For all of the talk about how "garbage" last year's draft was, this year's draft is one of the BEST in recent memory.

And we're missing a 2nd round pick.

The Horror!! .... You must be one of those guys. I for one THANK GOD Matt Cassell is not our starting QB and instead of saying "we could've had ?? @ QB" We do have Alex Smith and are not looking for a QB this year.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KCwolf

The Horror!! .... You must be one of those guys. I for one THANK GOD Matt Cassell is not our starting QB and instead of saying "we could've had ?? @ QB" We do have Alex Smith and are not looking for a QB this year.

I like Alex Smith.

It's not my problem people aren't smart enough to separate the player from the moves it took to get him.

Alex Smith needs complimentary players. The team's ability to get said complementary players is hampered by the fact that they gave up two high picks to get him.

That's just simple logic.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I like Alex Smith.

It's not my problem people aren't smart enough to separate the player from the moves it took to get him.

Alex Smith needs complimentary players. The team's ability to get said complementary players is hampered by the fact that they gave up two high picks to get him.

That's just simple logic.

I had a thought just occur to me, one that I'm a little surprised I've never had before.

(And let me first reiterate that I hate that we gave up two picks for Smith. That's always been my biggest issue with it...)

In all of the various and sundry discussions about drafting a QB on this board over the years, I can't count the number of times I've seen people say they would do "whatever it takes" to acquire a franchise quarterback. Just as an example, I've seen the Redskins lauded by certain proponents of a first round QB (myself included) for the RGIII move, because they, basically, had the balls to attempt something that this franchise is clearly not interested in (if not outright terrified of...) doing.

So let's say, as a theoretical exercise, that we're in the draft in may, round about pick 14, and the Chiefs see a quarterback that they really like on the board. Somebody they like so much that they're willing to offer the Bears a couple of picks to take their spot. Carr, Manziel, whoever. Doesn't really matter what the name is. They identify their guy, the guy they think can take over in, let's say 2018, Aaron Rodgers 4 years on the bench style, but they're sure he won't slip past the 14th pick.

Should they make that move? Because, you know, they'd be giving up more than one pick, and potentially crippling the franchise since they wouldn't have as many picks to use to put around him...

Basically, is the problem with the Alex Smith trade that we lost a 2nd round pick this year (let's consider him the 2013 second rounder - we couldn't have picked up both him and another player with that pick last year, so that pick doesn't change anything around him....), or is the problem that the trade was for Alex Smith himself?

If that makes any sense....

Bascially, if a quarterback is a position worth risking multiple picks for, as I think almost all of us in favor of a 1st round QB have said at times over the years, then why is the loss of a 2014 2nd round pick for Smith such an issue? Are we in 'trying to have our cake and eat it, too" territory here?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It was two critical picks. A good GM will get 2 solid starters out of 2nd round picks. He essentially traded two of them for Alex Smith.



They didn't HAVE to draft a QB. Again, a GOOD GM would find a way to get a good QB without mortgaging his own draft strategy.

For all of the talk about how "garbage" last year's draft was, this year's draft is one of the BEST in recent memory.

And we're missing a 2nd round pick.

Instead of two good starters, it appears they got a franchise quarterback.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Instead of two good starters, it appears they got a franchise quarterback.

How many franchise QBs win Super Bowls all by themselves while surrounded by garbage?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many franchise QBs win Super Bowls all by themselves while surrounded by garbage?

Are there not other ways to surround said qb with players?

I mean, we haven't had the draft yet, we don't know how players from last year will further develop in this system, etc and on and on. It's just too soon to know.

Maybe Alex smith under Andy Reid can elevate the players aroun him instead if vice versa. Half of last years says yes, half says no.

It just seems ironic that the talk around here is always "give up anything for a franchise qb", now they did and it was one the HC everyone loved hiring because he's the "qb" whisperer really wanted, and people are pissed at the compensation.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many franchise QBs win Super Bowls all by themselves while surrounded by garbage?

Team had like a dozen probowlers. The game is a joke, but they are far from garbage

[BlackHelicopters]

Originally Posted by O.city

Instead of two good starters, it appears they got a franchise quarterback.

Whatever a "franchise"QB is , Alex Smith isn't

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It was two critical picks. A good GM will get 2 solid starters out of 2nd round picks. He essentially traded two of them for Alex Smith.



They didn't HAVE to draft a QB. Again, a GOOD GM would find a way to get a good QB without mortgaging his own draft strategy.

For all of the talk about how "garbage" last year's draft was, this year's draft is one of the BEST in recent memory.

And we're missing a 2nd round pick.

2nd round picks have about a 50% hit rate. Alex Smith for 2 second round picks means you, by the odds, traded away 1 likely starter for your starting QB.

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/04/20/ca...nchez-jenkins/

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

2nd round picks have about a 50% hit rate. Alex Smith for 2 second round picks means you, by the odds, traded away 1 likely starter for your starting QB.

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/04/20/ca...nchez-jenkins/

draft picks matter, or they don't...

people can't blather out of one side of their mouths that 'we're building through the draft' and then say something as ****ing stupid as you just did

if Dorsey is a good drafter, and his whole philosophy is building through the draft, then giving up 2 seconds for a benched QB matters and is fair game for criticism in the context of his long term plans

but then you still have scabs in your lower intestine from the damage Cassel did to you, so maybe this is the best you have to offer

[temper11]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

if Dorsey is a good drafter, and his whole philosophy is building through the draft, then giving up 2 seconds for a benched QB matters and is fair game for criticism in the context of his long term plans

The benched QB was one of the highest rated QB's in the league at the time of his injury. It's not like he gave up the picks for a perennial clip board holder.