Marvel unviels their next four projects

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Marvel Unveils CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER, THOR: THE DARK WORLD, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY and ANT-MAN

Saturday’s Hall H panel for Marvel at Comic-Con was billed as Iron Man 3, but from previous experience we all knew to expect more goodies from Marvel Studios than just IM3. We were right, as the studio announced full, intriguing titles for Thor 2 and Captain America 2, confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy (including which characters will appear), and revealed test footage for Ant-Man with a surprise appearance by Edgar Wright.

Hit the jump for my full recap of this “update” portion of the Marvel panel. [Update: We've updated the article with concept art for the Guardians of the Galaxy movie as well as logos for all the upcoming Marvel films]

Chris-Hemsworth-Thor 2 the dark worldFeige opened the panel by saying that they’re working on four movies in active development. The first is Iron Man 3, hitting theaters on May 3rd, 2013. He then went on to reveal titles for two previously known sequels, and confirmed another property that we’d heard rumblings of in the past few weeks.

Iron Man 3 (May 3, 2013)
Thor: The Dark World (November 8, 2013)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (April 4, 2014)
Guardians of the Galaxy (August 1, 2014)

For fans of the comics, the subtitle “The Winter Soldier” should provide a hint as to where the Captain America sequel will go. The title is a reference to a comics storyline that will find Bucky Barnes (Sebastian Stan) taking an integral role.

guardians-of-the-galaxy-movieFeige added that Zachary Levi has been confirmed as the character of Fandrel in the Thor sequel, and revealed the team that will be unleashed for Guardians of the Galaxy:

StarLord
Drax the Destroyer
Rocket Raccoon
Groot
Gamora

In a fantastic surprise, Feige then introduced Edgar Wright to talk about Ant-Man. Wright had been tweeting about being in London for the past few days in an effort to throw fans off, but he came out to a very warm reception.

“I’m taking the Terrence Malick approach to superheroes,” said Wright referring to the long road of development on Ant-Man.
Wright and Joe Cornish wrote two more drafts of the script last year, but they’ve been done for quite a while.

ant-man-movie-logoThey then revealed test footage that Wright shot for Ant-Man, after Wright toyed for a bit with the audience saying they wouldn’t really want to see a clip of stuff with wires and blue screens in it. It’s completely unfinished since they shot it two weeks ago, but they showed the footage anyway because Marvel absolutely owns Comic-Con.

The footage opened with Ant-Man sitting on a ledge in an air conditioning vent that lead to a hallway guarded by two agents. The costume was pretty metallic looking, and he snuck through the vent hole and started running down the hallway. He morphed to normal size, shocking the guards, then morphed back down to ant size and kept running. Still in “ant size” he leapt up and punched one of the guys in the face, knocking the spit out of him, then he ran and attacked the other guard.

The footage was obviously rough, but I thought the big/small effects worked great. Wright found a way to make Ant-Man’s power work in a cool and useful way on screen, while still allowing room for the playful tone that he does so well. While I was hoping we’d see someone like Simon Pegg play the role just for fun in the test footage, the actor was wearing the Ant-Man helmet the entire time so we never saw his face. The lights then came back up.

“I’ve been doing one second of that for the last six years,” quipped Wright
Wright confirmed that the costume seen in the test footage will most likely be what makes the final film. He described it as a mix between the Silver Age and contemporary Ant-Man, adding “Ant-Man will kick your ass one inch at a time.”
Wright said there’s no casting to announce, but “revealed” that Ant-Man has been here in Hall H all day, pulling out an Ant-Man title card and putting it on the table next to him.

Wright then left the stage to make way for the Iron Man 3 panel, but these bits of news from Marvel were met with wild applause from the audience. Hit the comments to discuss the goings-on from today’s Marvel panel, and read Matt’s recap of Iron Man 3 right here. [Update: Simon Pegg tweeted that he, Nick Frost, and Wright start filming The World's End in 10 weeks, then Wright will film Ant-Man sometime next year.]

[unlurking]

OK, I'm not wading through your misunderstanding of what constitutes a point or an argument again. From all your fluff, here is the one key component.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

This is all clouding up the key issue that we're discussing here: does Marvel have a moral obligation to be inclusive in its casting? I would argue that it does. If you're in the business of presenting people/characters in media, you have a responsibility to be as representative as can be considered reasonable.

OK. I'm ignoring the moral responsibility aspect since you have determined that it is in no way enforceable (except in terms of sales which we know are good). Now the concern becomes defining this argument in at least one key way. Who considers what is reasonable?

From your discussion pattern, you can't seem to decide anything else. Hell, you can't split gender from race, and yet you say S.H.I.E.L.D. is a representative example of the problem. Review of this show determines that of the 6 primary cast members, half are women. 2 are Asian. You have determined this show does not meet the "reasonable" test. Why?

Does a 50% female lead cast not meet the reasonable test? Does a 33% non-white lead cast would meet the reasonable test? Is it the diversity of the diversity? Should it be one Asian and one Cuban? Are Indians more diverse? What about African Americans or Native Americans? We should change your screen name to "Justice Potter".

You entire "argument" is flawed:

No one here as denied that there is an overly large ratio of white males for Marvel characters. Nobody has disagreed with you. Not one. The only rebuttal being offered to you is the method in which this ratio is changed. You then respond in the vein of...

Originally Posted by Direcksun

I don't pretend to argue how Marvel should do that, since I am not a professional creative person, I just think our society deserves better diversity.

You are so busy playing the race card, that you are accusing every poster in here of arguing with you. Then you put arguments in their mouths and self-righteously debate them with yourself.

Again, nobody has disagreed with you. There is no argument but what YOU make (with yourself). In other words, you don't make an argument. You make a statement. That nobody disagrees with. Anywhere. At all. And you repeat it. Over. And over. And over again while people try to discuss solutions. But you bow out. Because you're not creative.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by unlurking

OK, I'm not wading through your misunderstanding of what constitutes a point or an argument again.

i.e. I provided a textbook definition of what an argument is, according to what any textbook on logic would tell you, and showed you exactly how my argument fits that prototype.

So, you throw your hands up and insult me. Alright.

Originally Posted by unlurking

OK. I'm ignoring the moral responsibility aspect since you have determined that it is in no way enforceable (except in terms of sales which we know are good).

It is enforceable. North Korea does it universally across their media.

I'm just not endorsing legal enforcement. I'm endorsing that Marvel Cinema pull their head out of their ass with their total lack of diversity.

Originally Posted by unlurking

Now the concern becomes defining this argument in at least one key way. Who considers what is reasonable?

From your discussion pattern, you can't seem to decide anything else. Hell, you can't split gender from race, and yet you say S.H.I.E.L.D. is a representative example of the problem. Review of this show determines that of the 6 primary cast members, half are women. 2 are Asian. You have determined this show does not meet the "reasonable" test. Why?

Does a 50% female lead cast not meet the reasonable test? Does a 33% non-white lead cast would meet the reasonable test? Is it the diversity of the diversity? Should it be one Asian and one Cuban? Are Indians more diverse? What about African Americans or Native Americans? We should change your screen name to "Justice Potter".

I agree that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. embodies exactly the kind of diversity that Marvel Cinema should strive for. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is unfairly having its lot cast in with the films, and if I bear any responsibility for that in this discussion, that's my bad.

Aside from that, I'd say a reasonable person standard can easily be applied, because that's the only one that really can be applied. So, of course, as is the case when you apply that standard, reasonable people can disagree, but the end result will at least end up reasonable.

I don't think a reasonable person, for instance, could argue that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. isn't diverse, a point I know you agree with. And I don't think a reasonable person could argue that Marvel Cinema's casting for their protagonists has been diverse, a point I know you agree with. I think it's reasonable to argue that media impacts how people see the world around them, including other peoples, especially young people who consume comics. That's reasonable as well.

All folks like myself are advocating for is Marvel Cinema diversity their protagonists more. We're arguing that it's indisputably important to do so.

Doing so would be important, but I also recognize that it would be an imperfect process that will face criticism both fair and unfair. I don't see what's so unreasonable about that position. But hey, what do I know -- I don't even know what an argument is! Ahyuk.

Originally Posted by unlurking

You entire "argument" is flawed:

No one here as denied that there is an overly large ratio of white males for Marvel characters. Nobody has disagreed with you. Not one.

Right, which I've recognized.

Again, here's the argument I have been making this whole time:

(P1) It's poor form to have a lack of diversity among an entire medium.
(P2) Marvel's film protagonists have a lack of diversity among their entire medium.
(Conclusion) Therefore, it's poor form to have a lack of diversity among Marvel's film protagonists.

I haven't suggested that anybody has disagreed with me on P2, not once. P2 is indisputable.

It's P1 where people have thrown their fits in this thread, arguing that it's not that much of a bad thing for Marvel's Movie Heroes to be anything other than white males. I flatly disagree with that, for reasons I've made clear.

It's starting to sound like you actually agree with me on that, correct me if I'm wrong. And you just think I'm supposedly going overboard with it. I disagree with that, too, but that's a more reasonable perspective to me -- you recognize the issue and would prefer Marvel to address it as well.

Originally Posted by unlurking

You are so busy playing the race card, that you are accusing every poster in here of arguing with you. Then you put arguments in their mouths and self-righteously debate them with yourself.

I have no idea what any of this means, but damn it sounds righteous.

Originally Posted by unlurking

Again, nobody has disagreed with you.

On P2, right.

On P2, there's been plenty of disagreement in this thread. People arguing that it's not important what race/gender the characters look like, people arguing that it's somehow offensive to suggest that diversity is necessary, people arguing that it possibly does matter but don't mess with the continuity. Folks have disagreed by the handful on that one.

Originally Posted by unlurking

There is no argument but what YOU make (with yourself). In other words, you don't make an argument. You make a statement. That nobody disagrees with. Anywhere. At all. And you repeat it. Over. And over. And over again while people try to discuss solutions. But you bow out. Because you're not creative.

Right, I'm not interested in that discussion or being engaged on that discussion. And I don't have to be to criticize Marvel on this subject.

[unlurking]

I don’t know if you are really this obtuse and disingenuous, or if this is trolling. The level of disconnect between you and your own statements is just overwhelming. I’m not even going to address the hyperbolic misdirection of North Korea.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I agree that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. embodies exactly the kind of diversity that Marvel Cinema should strive for. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is unfairly having its lot cast in with the films, and if I bear any responsibility for that in this discussion, that's my bad.

Really? You’re really going here?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=394

Originally Posted by Direckshun

And the lead protagonist of Agents of SHIELD is........

wait for it..........

...........

white guy.

Yes, that is you. That is you introducing S.H.I.E.L.D. not as an embodiment of the kind of diversity that Marvel Cinema should strive for, but as an example of what is wrong with it. I can’t tell if you are really this lost, or if you are just trying to twist everyone’s words (including your own) to fit your compliant. The only rational assumption is that in a dozen more posts or so you will be back to using S.H.I.E.L.D. as an embodiment of the problem.

IMO, these contradictory posts are the embodiment of your misunderstanding of an argument. That’s not me throwing up my hands and insulting you. That’s me pointing out that you either don’t comprehend your own “argument”, or are being dishonest in order to further your agenda.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (paraphrased)

I’m not going to define the criteria of reasonableness, just state that a reasonable person will understand that reasonableness.

OK Potter.

Originally Posted by Potter

Right, which I've recognized.

Again, here's the argument I have been making this whole time:

(P1) It's poor form to have a lack of diversity among an entire medium.
(P2) Marvel's film protagonists have a lack of diversity among their entire medium.
(Conclusion) Therefore, it's poor form to have a lack of diversity among Marvel's film protagonists.

I haven't suggested that anybody has disagreed with me on P2, not once. P2 is indisputable.

It's P1 where people have thrown their fits in this thread, arguing that it's not that much of a bad thing for Marvel's Movie Heroes to be anything other than white males. I flatly disagree with that, for reasons I've made clear.

It's starting to sound like you actually agree with me on that, correct me if I'm wrong. And you just think I'm supposedly going overboard with it. I disagree with that, too, but that's a more reasonable perspective to me -- you recognize the issue and would prefer Marvel to address it as well.

OK, so we are simply adding more ambiguity to the subject in the phrase “poor form”.

Starting?

Again. No one has disagreed with your “poor form”. Ever. Your “argument” is something nobody is arguing. Every response has been in discussion about resolving it. Except mine which have been an attempt to determine if you actually have an argument, or are just a shitty poster with a “Water is wet, discus” style.

Originally Posted by Justice Potter

I have no idea what any of this means, but damn it sounds righteous.

Here are a couple examples, since you don’t seem to remember what you post…

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=443

Originally Posted by Potter

Really, all the bloviating by (I assume) white males in this thread about how Marvel doesn't need to diversify, or shouldn't have to diversify, is completely undercut by Marvel themselves.

To suggest that comics are only something white people can enjoy, and that therefore the Marvel Universe has responded to this by populating itself predominantly with white characters, is looking at the cause-effect completely backwards.

All the bloviating white males that think Marvel needs to diversify its gender and racial/ethnic characters? Please tell me which posters. Or is this simply more of your trolling?

Also, please tell me which poster stated that comics are something only white people can enjoy? And also please clarify if “white people” includes women?

You are making shit up to argue about. You’re race-baiting, pure and simple.

Originally Posted by Potter

On P2, right.

On P2, there's been plenty of disagreement in this thread…

WTF? P2? Really? Right and Wrong?

Originally Posted by Potter

People arguing that it's not important what race/gender the characters look like, people arguing that it's somehow offensive to suggest that diversity is necessary…

Please tell me who has made this claim?

Originally Posted by Potter

…people arguing that it possibly does matter but don't mess with the continuity. Folks have disagreed by the handful on that one.

And here we go again, into the fact that you have zero clue about even your own topics. This has NOTHING to do with any point you have made regarding your “argument”. It has nothing to do with your criticism of the lack of diversity in comics. Continuity discussions are ONLY in reference to solving the problem. They do not disagree with the problem itself, and to say that they do is a flat out lie.

You call people “bloviating white males” because they disagree on a SOLUTION to the inequality problem. That is some ****ed up shit right there.

Again, just for the record. I want to see if you can understand this…

You are decrying racism by using the phrase “bloviating white males.” That or you are being reverse racist and just trying to create a racially derogatory epithet and applying it to the other posters in this thread. My assumption is you are aiming for the former, unless you really are calling us all crackers of some sort?

OK, now we understand that you are calling other posters racist. And yet these other posters agree with you regarding a racial/ethinc/gender inequality within comics. OK, since that doesn’t make sense, we’ll have to assume it’s because they disagree with how you would resolve such inequality.

So. For the record.

If someone disagrees with Justice Potter regarding the solution to a problem, they are the cause of said problem. Or…racist.

Got it. Thanks for helping clarify that.

Originally Posted by Potter

Right, I'm not interested in that discussion or being engaged on that discussion. And I don't have to be to criticize Marvel on this subject.

So you can call everyone racist for disagreeing with you on the solution, but you are not interested in the solution itself or engaging in a discussion about it?

Just to clarify. Here is where I insult you...

Idiot.

[unlurking]

Sorry for derailing the thread everybody. I'm done now.

[unlurking]

Please no.
http://collider.com/keanu-reeves-doctor-strange/

[unlurking]

I liked White Collar. Bomer could be interesting...

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/4825...ratt-video.htm

Looks like lots of guessing again now that Phoenix is out.

[Jamie]

It's kind of bullshit to call out Marvel's lack of diversity and then refuse to advocate or defend any means of changing it.

I agree that the lack of diversity is a problem, but I'm mostly okay with Marvel's attempts to rectify it. I don't think they could have gotten away with race flipping any of the Avengers except maybe for Hawkeye. I guess they could have tried harder to get Captain/Ms. Marvel and Black Panther going.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Jamie

It's kind of bullshit to call out Marvel's lack of diversity and then refuse to advocate or defend any means of changing it.

I agree that the lack of diversity is a problem, but I'm mostly okay with Marvel's attempts to rectify it. I don't think they could have gotten away with race flipping any of the Avengers except maybe for Hawkeye. I guess they could have tried harder to get Captain/Ms. Marvel and Black Panther going.

You have to have the writing or good characters fall out of favor.

Bishop was not only one of the most popular Marvel characters of the 90's but one of my favorites as well. They completely wasted both him and Cable's characters with that stupid ass time traveling storyline a few years ago.

Cage is more popular now than ever. After Civil War he should have been a player in the 2nd Marvel wave.

[ThaVirus]

Blade, Bishop, Luke Cage, Storm, and Black Panther.

I was watching Thor: Dark World earlier and I really like Heimdall. I know he wasn't originally black but I'd love to see his role expanded in future films. He's a beast.

[unlurking]

I loved Blade. Back before all vampire stories became the domain of middle aged housewives.

High hopes for Cage with Netflix. That should be interesting given Netflix' recent success with original series. Looks like Black Panther is on the agenda, too bad Storm is tied up with Fox and won't be a part of it.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Marve...Lee-66993.html

On a side note, just starting to read Marvel Zombies. Love Bruce Campbell and would love to see a cheesy crossover like this. Even a SyFy made for TV, Sharknado style crapfest.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by unlurking

I loved Blade. Back before all vampire stories became the domain of middle aged housewives.

High hopes for Cage with Netflix. That should be interesting given Netflix' recent success with original series. Looks like Black Panther is on the agenda, too bad Storm is tied up with Fox and won't be a part of it.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Marve...Lee-66993.html

On a side note, just starting to read Marvel Zombies. Love Bruce Campbell and would love to see a cheesy crossover like this. Even a SyFy made for TV, Sharknado style crapfest.

[Window Licking Whiner]

I think the diversity in the movies is perfect, and in no need of change....at all.

Why? Well. it's pretty simple. These movies are each blockbusters in their own rights, each one improving/increasing their market share of movie attendance. People are flocking to watch anythign they put out, and flocking in huge DIVERSE crowds. Therefore attendance being greater and greater, and thereby profit increasing and increasing..is a testament that everyone is in love with the diversity ratio that is currently employed. To change ANYTHING about how they cast these movies would therefore be racist, because you are changing something that minorities are supporting in LARGE margins.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Ha! Thanks! That second one was pretty funny!

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Blade, Bishop, Luke Cage, Storm, and Black Panther.

I was watching Thor: Dark World earlier and I really like Heimdall. I know he wasn't originally black but I'd love to see his role expanded in future films. He's a beast.

Black Panther could be a gamechanger and the Luke Cage tv series should be good.

[Deberg_1990]

Downey Jr to join Cap 3 which will kick off a 'Civil War' storyline.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/ro...ve-1201312229/