Rebel flag is it racist? - Page 8

Duck Dog · 10-05-2000, 04:40 PM

Am just curious as to everyone's thoughts

Duck Dog · 10-06-2000, 05:25 PM

OK.
The reason I started this was because my 10th graders and I are starting the Civil War. The question was brought up in class. MOnday, we are going to look at the responses.

1. Civil War was about states' rights. Neither side...Especially the South did not like being told what to do.

Those from the South argued that their slaves were better off than the factory workers of the North. NOT all slave owners beat and tortured their slaves.

Watch the series North and South. It is a great example of the differences not just of North and south, but also of Good and Bad people of both sides.

Slavery was just a way to fan the flames.

Lincoln was quoted as saying if slavery would keep the Union together...He would allow it.

Lincoln's Wife, however, was an abolitionist but had relatives in the confederate army.

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10-06-2000, 05:32 PM

Pam,
I had a feeling that you were using this for class.

If you could do us a favor and say so at the beginning of the thread, I think all of us would be willing contribute opinions, anecdotes and facts. And it would help us gauge our verbage for the intended audience.

[This message has been edited by TheFly (edited 10-06-2000).]

redshirt32 · 10-06-2000, 08:30 PM

Pam:

I hasten to say you are going to have a real "hot potato" when you start the discussion of the not-so "Civil War". No matter how neutral you try to be someone is going to accuse you of painting a different picture than they want their children to know.

Good luck....you're gonna need it.

mmaddog
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"When you're not the lead dog in the pack, the view is always the same"

Duck Dog · 10-06-2000, 09:37 PM

Fly,
Had I said so at the beginning, the responses may have been a bit more skewed. This way I get true feelings. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

Don't worry, I will weed out the "#%$@#%"

[img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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10-06-2000, 10:19 PM

Clint - Your assumption that only hicks and idiots hang a Confederate Battle Flag is as prejudiced as the KKK who uses the flag.

Your argument loses credibility when you assume too much.

Chieficus · 10-07-2000, 10:11 PM

This topic still divides family lines.

My family ties in the deep south go back to the very early 1700s.
My family was a pioneer family in Florida and yes, they did own slaves (a fact of which no one in the family is proud).

To some of us, the Confederdate flag is nothing more than a symbol of our southern hertiage. Others in the family detest the sight of it and everything it represents.
We do stand united that oppression of ANY race is wrong!

Someone posted about the southern code of honor. The true southern people are very proud people and that of code of honor did indeed exist.

Now to what's really important - football! Hope OU stomps KSU next Saturday and the Chiefs follow with a stomp of the Raiders on Sunday!

10-06-2000, 05:25 PM	#106
Duck Dog Reap the whirlwind Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $10004900	OK. The reason I started this was because my 10th graders and I are starting the Civil War. The question was brought up in class. MOnday, we are going to look at the responses. 1. Civil War was about states' rights. Neither side...Especially the South did not like being told what to do. Those from the South argued that their slaves were better off than the factory workers of the North. NOT all slave owners beat and tortured their slaves. Watch the series North and South. It is a great example of the differences not just of North and south, but also of Good and Bad people of both sides. Slavery was just a way to fan the flames. Lincoln was quoted as saying if slavery would keep the Union together...He would allow it. Lincoln's Wife, however, was an abolitionist but had relatives in the confederate army. [This message has been edited by dawsonpa (edited 10-06-2000).]
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10-06-2000, 05:32 PM	#107
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	Pam, I had a feeling that you were using this for class. If you could do us a favor and say so at the beginning of the thread, I think all of us would be willing contribute opinions, anecdotes and facts. And it would help us gauge our verbage for the intended audience. [This message has been edited by TheFly (edited 10-06-2000).]
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10-06-2000, 08:30 PM	#108
redshirt32 Fire Controlman Vet Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: By the Sea Casino cash: $6124936	Pam: I hasten to say you are going to have a real "hot potato" when you start the discussion of the not-so "Civil War". No matter how neutral you try to be someone is going to accuse you of painting a different picture than they want their children to know. Good luck....you're gonna need it. mmaddog **************** ------------------ "When you're not the lead dog in the pack, the view is always the same"
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10-06-2000, 09:37 PM	#109
Duck Dog Reap the whirlwind Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $10004900	Fly, Had I said so at the beginning, the responses may have been a bit more skewed. This way I get true feelings. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] Don't worry, I will weed out the "#%$@#%" [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] [This message has been edited by dawsonpa (edited 10-06-2000).]
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10-06-2000, 10:19 PM	#110
AustinChief Guest Casino cash: $	Clint - Your assumption that only hicks and idiots hang a Confederate Battle Flag is as prejudiced as the KKK who uses the flag. Your argument loses credibility when you assume too much.
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10-05-2000, 04:40 PM
Duck Dog Reap the whirlwind Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $10004900	Am just curious as to everyone's thoughts
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10-07-2000, 10:11 PM	#111
Chieficus infralapsarianism Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: West MO Casino cash: $1965728	This topic still divides family lines. My family ties in the deep south go back to the very early 1700s. My family was a pioneer family in Florida and yes, they did own slaves (a fact of which no one in the family is proud). To some of us, the Confederdate flag is nothing more than a symbol of our southern hertiage. Others in the family detest the sight of it and everything it represents. We do stand united that oppression of ANY race is wrong! Someone posted about the southern code of honor. The true southern people are very proud people and that of code of honor did indeed exist. Now to what's really important - football! Hope OU stomps KSU next Saturday and the Chiefs follow with a stomp of the Raiders on Sunday!
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