Installing a passenger side mirror?

[Hootie]

some dipshit kicked/punched my side mirror off and I had to go to ebay to buy a replacement...

I am not savvy enough (I'm a dipshit) to install it myself and I am getting a little bit of work done tomorrow at an auto shop and I'm going to bring the mirror with me and ask them to install it for me...

how much should I be expecting them to charge me for that labor since I have already bought the part?

[Hootie]

JFC

Exoter turned a simple "question" thread into the biggest AIDS infested thread I've ever made and believe me...I have some dandies.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by KC native

Get ****ed. I explained to them very clearly which wheel was pulling off and that the camber of the rear wheels was the issue.

I spoke to my service writer several times. I spoke with the service manager. I was very explicit as to where the problem was coming from. The car was there 4 times within 6 months. The lackey at NTB had it on the lift (I don't own one) and showed me within 10 minutes what was bent.

You are ****ing full of yourself. You were completely wrong on the Speed 3's fuel pump issue. I questioned myself and then went back and read. It's a cam driven fuel pump and with the stock internals it starves the motor if you start adding horsepower.

You work on cars. It's not ****ing rocket science. Your ASE certifications mean jack shit. I know plenty of mechanics without certifications that I would pay to work on my car before your stealership ASE lackeys.

Also, I can get domestic car parts at dealership cost from buddies that are in car clubs. They have family members that work in the parts departments. So, again, you're not nearly as special as you think.

I didn't say you didn't explain it, I questioned if you did or not because this issues comes up all the time. Take your ****ing tone down.

I was wrong about the speed 3's fuel pump issue? The **** I was kid. I explained to you why they replace "the internals" of the pump, despite the fact that it is less internals and more about being able to utilize a factory location and hardware to mount with, thus bringing the price of the bump down to a very affordable level so that the part is easy to acquire for you.

Second, I explained to you in depth, how power works in a car. When you raise boost, you need to add fuel and watch timing and EGT's, you need to account for knock. You need to adjust your timing, fuel pressure, and injector duty cycle to adjust your AFR's in WoT, and that you need to do the same for daily drivability.

I explained to you that if you indeed had friends in the business, you could get the tuning done and modifications done for next to nothing.

However, we aren't talking aftermarket fuel pumps in this thread. We're referring to a mirror, or any factory replacement part.

Of which I promise you that I literally get at at cost less than your car club guys, but likely the same cost if you have a family member in the parts department.

I want to explain to you something, however.

Most discounts you'll receive from a car club, are 10-25% discounts from retail, not from cost. I get everything that my warehouse provides me, at cost, or slightly above it. A number you'll never touch unless your Tax ID does the volume and frequency that I do, and no car club will ever come close to that. However, if they had someone on the inside at a distributor, that could be the case, on a personal level, however, he is only allowed to purchase so many products for himself before his personal account is flagged for passing on the savings to non company customers.

I Spent a summer working at Keystone and Arrowspeed, I know how that business works, I know how it can get you in trouble.


You're coming at me with attitude, I"m just explaining to you how the world works dude, take your anger out on someone else, but don't tell me I was wrong about a god damned fuel pump when I clearly know more about the aftermarket and performance world than you do, and I especially have the knowledge for tuning better than you, its my ****ing job.

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

I"m a jackass because I'm explaining to you how the industry works, explaining to you how the chain of command at a dealership works?

Really? Do you even understand what is being talked about here? Or did you just hear that I work at a dealership and automatically assume I am a bad person because of it?

Oh, not at all. I just understand that if we must talk to a service writer who basically looks up my charge before a mechanic has even looked at the problem, assigns a set time to do repair rather than actual time and uses an inflated hourly charge to the time then sells me a part with a huge markup.....but that is how you can book 100 hours in a 40 hour week.

Bottom line is city folks will fall for the big dealership fancy waiting room and Mr Service Writer in the white shirt routine and pay for it..Good for you, bad for them. You are not a bad person at all. My comment relative to you being a jackass is not about you, its about your attitude and your general approach. Dont take it personal, you choose to be a jackass but I have faith you could change if you wanted. After all you have certificates and such.

Folk in less populated areas who clearly are uneducated bumpkins will go to guys like Jason and get better work done for less money and suffer having Jason talk to us rather than a service writer, Jason will likely have a bit of grease on his shirt, and we will not have a latte from the coin operated machine.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

You show them that screen to show where the hours come from. "alldata show it calls for x amount of hours"


But you don't tell them you actually made those numbers up yourself.

That's not honesty
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I didn't make the numbers up myself, why would I tell them that?

I adjusted the numbers to get close to an industry average and to allow myself breathing room on the accommodations I make the for the customer, something you don't even understand.

Originally Posted by KC native

That is ****ing horseshit. The service writers are trained to be vague and try to pack as many services onto tickets as they can.

Vague? No, trained to sell as much as they can? Yes. That doesn't stop them from doing their job, which is conveying the problem to me, the mechanic. If you don't tell them, they don't tell me. Simple as that. You can't get mad at the mechanic for something that you either messed up, or the service writer messed up. Unless both of those were clear, then you can blame me for it.

Originally Posted by KC native

All stealerships work under this model now. You have to really bitch or have a **** up from the dealership to even speak with a tech.

Or you can say "I'd like to speak with a technician" and not take no for an answer.

Just like how I'll ask for your boss if you work in the customer service field and I'm not happy with how you are treating me.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

JFC

Exoter turned a simple "question" thread into the biggest AIDS infested thread I've ever made and believe me...I have some dandies.

I didn't do shit, I explained to you why you were stupid, why you had no clue, how the real world works, and you just carried it on until the other idiots, Sauto and Saul, decided they wanted to pipe in.

Sauto feels the need to pipe in on anything automotive related, sometimes regurgitating what I've already said.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

JFC

Exoter turned a simple "question" thread into the biggest AIDS infested thread I've ever made and believe me...I have some dandies.

He's awful at CP. Nobody gives a shit about his opinion but he keeps on giving it.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Oh, not at all. I just understand that if we must talk to a service writer who basically looks up my charge before a mechanic has even looked at the problem, assigns a set time to do repair rather than actual time and uses an inflated hourly charge to the time then sells me a part with a huge markup.....but that is how you can book 100 hours in a 40 hour week.

Bottom line is city folks will fall for the big dealership fancy waiting room and Mr Service Writer in the white shirt routine and pay for it..Good for you, bad for them. You are not a bad person at all. My comment relative to you being a jackass is not about you, its about your attitude and your general approach. Dont take it personal, you choose to be a jackass but I have faith you could change if you wanted. After all you have certificates and such.

Folk in less populated areas who clearly are uneducated bumpkins will go to guys like Jason and get better work done for less money and suffer having Jason talk to us rather than a service writer, Jason will likely have a bit of grease on his shirt, and we will not have a latte from the coin operated machine.

You won't get better work from Jason, that's guaranteed, but what you seem to have misunderstood, or not even read, is the fact that I ran the small time shop business, I opened two of them. I know how the entirety of the industry works, and if not for my stealership offer, or my partner getting his stealership offer, I'd still be in business at that location, instead of calverts.

What I don't understand, is how you can devalue Education and Certification.

Imagine 75 Jasons, 5 times smarter than he is now, instructing me on how everything in the automotive industry works, now apply that for around 6 years of schooling and training.


Now understand that Jason doesn't have that education or training.

That's the difference between he and I, and in all honesty, I'll have the better price, better product, and better customer service BECAUSE of my education and training.

"old time" folks like yourself might remember a term long forgotten.

"Paying your dues".

I've paid mine, and then some.

Don't jump on my case because I took a job at a stealership, my work isn't dishonest, just as my work in my own shop wasn't dishonest before that.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Pablo

He's awful at CP. Nobody gives a shit about his opinion but he keeps on giving it.

he keeps telling me about how stupid and terrible I am because I don't know how the big bad real world of auto mechanics work...

and I keep reminding him my side mirror on my car I no longer car about appearance wise broke and I have no interest in paying a lot of money to have it fixed when I already have the part...and that if a dealership or local body shop wants to charge an arm and a leg I'd just have a "mexican" (a metaphor, really) do it for cheap...

and somehow that turned into him doing this

truly fascinating

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Pablo

He's awful at CP. Nobody gives a shit about his opinion but he keeps on giving it.

Really?

Installing a passenger... 03-11-2013 12:06 PM notorious You are going to piss off a bunch of people, but you are 100% correct.
Installing a passenger... 03-10-2013 11:47 PM Phobia Yup. He's a 'tard.
Installing a passenger... 03-10-2013 11:39 PM chiefforlife Bravo!!

They seem to disagree with you on this thread.

Want me to do the PM's next?

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Really?

Installing a passenger... 03-11-2013 12:06 PM notorious You are going to piss off a bunch of people, but you are 100% correct.
Installing a passenger... 03-10-2013 11:47 PM Phobia Yup. He's a 'tard.
Installing a passenger... 03-10-2013 11:39 PM chiefforlife Bravo!!

They seem to disagree with you on this thread.

Want me to do the PM's next?

Oh, please. That's probably interesting. Or not. Feel free to write a book report back to me.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

he keeps telling me about how stupid and terrible I am because I don't know how the big bad real world of auto mechanics work...

and I keep reminding him my side mirror on my car I no longer car about appearance wise broke and I have no interest in paying a lot of money to have it fixed when I already have the part...and that if a dealership or local body shop wants to charge an arm and a leg I'd just have a "mexican" (a metaphor, really) do it for cheap...

and somehow that turned into him doing this

truly fascinating

That isn't how this thread turned out.

You implied that the mechanic should do it because they are already working on your car and it should take no time at all, according to your vast experience, and that it shouldn't cost more than 20 bucks because you are cheap or don't' care about the car your parents bought you for high school. Despite the fact that the Audi you drive, is likely the only thing responsible for making ends meet in your life, you neglect it.

And yeah, there was that bit about how you don't have a ****ing clue about the real world.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Oh, please. That's probably interesting. Or not. Feel free to write a book report back to me.

It just proves you wrong, that's all.

[Hootie]

fixing cars is blue collar work

this guy is trying to pretend you need your ****ing doctorate to be able to change oil

what a ****ing prick...so because Jason doesn't feel the need to rip off his customers he's an idiot and he doesn't have talent

riiiiight

what a prick this guy is

I'm willing to bet some of the best, most skilled mechanics are the guys like Jason that just run their shop, run it honestly, and charge an actual fair price...

rather than jacking everything up and making up "issues" to try and get more $$$ out of each customer when they walk through the door

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

I didn't say you didn't explain it, I questioned if you did or not because this issues comes up all the time. Take your ****ing tone down.

I was wrong about the speed 3's fuel pump issue? The **** I was kid. I explained to you why they replace "the internals" of the pump, despite the fact that it is less internals and more about being able to utilize a factory location and hardware to mount with, thus bringing the price of the bump down to a very affordable level so that the part is easy to acquire for you.

Second, I explained to you in depth, how power works in a car. When you raise boost, you need to add fuel and watch timing and EGT's, you need to account for knock. You need to adjust your timing, fuel pressure, and injector duty cycle to adjust your AFR's in WoT, and that you need to do the same for daily drivability.

I explained to you that if you indeed had friends in the business, you could get the tuning done and modifications done for next to nothing.

However, we aren't talking aftermarket fuel pumps in this thread. We're referring to a mirror, or any factory replacement part.

Of which I promise you that I literally get at at cost less than your car club guys, but likely the same cost if you have a family member in the parts department.

I want to explain to you something, however.

Most discounts you'll receive from a car club, are 10-25% discounts from retail, not from cost. I get everything that my warehouse provides me, at cost, or slightly above it. A number you'll never touch unless your Tax ID does the volume and frequency that I do, and no car club will ever come close to that. However, if they had someone on the inside at a distributor, that could be the case, on a personal level, however, he is only allowed to purchase so many products for himself before his personal account is flagged for passing on the savings to non company customers.

I Spent a summer working at Keystone and Arrowspeed, I know how that business works, I know how it can get you in trouble.


You're coming at me with attitude, I"m just explaining to you how the world works dude, take your anger out on someone else, but don't tell me I was wrong about a god damned fuel pump when I clearly know more about the aftermarket and performance world than you do, and I especially have the knowledge for tuning better than you, its my ****ing job.

You are full of yourself.

Do you think you are the only one who knows how to add horsepower to a car and do it properly? Or how an ICE works?

I never held myself out as an expert nor was I looking for your attempted tutoring. I know my way around a car. Your lecture wasn't needed. I know how power is generated and what modifying different components actually does to generate horsepower.

The fact that you feel you need to lecture me about something which I already have a decent amount of knowledge is telling. Am I as versed with the intricacies of tuning as you? No. Do I know enough to not need to go to a know it all stealership mechanic and get raped on labor rate and "book time"? Yes.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

fixing cars is blue collar work

this guy is trying to pretend you need your ****ing doctorate to be able to change oil

what a ****ing prick...so because Jason doesn't feel the need to rip off his customers he's an idiot and he doesn't have talent

riiiiight

what a prick this guy is

I'm willing to bet some of the best, most skilled mechanics are the guys like Jason that just run their shop, run it honestly, and charge an actual fair price...

rather than jacking everything up and making up "issues" to try and get more $$$ out of each customer when they walk through the door

And you'd be wrong, the absolute best mechanics out there, don't actually do mechanic work anymore, most of them have moved on to become educators. The real superb mechanics are elite professionals in most racing industries, or move up the stealership foodchain to "consultant" levels, which is likely my next step.

You don't need your doctorate to do an oil change, but with the growing degree of technology in cars these days, pretty soon you'll need a bachelors to do an overhaul.

At least, you'll probably need a bachelors to get hired in the first place.

That's just how the industry works. Do you think I'd have the position I have right now if I were just a high school graduate like Jason over there?

Not a snowballs chance in hell kid.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

That isn't how this thread turned out.

You implied that the mechanic should do it because they are already working on your car and it should take no time at all, according to your vast experience, and that it shouldn't cost more than 20 bucks because you are cheap or don't' care about the car your parents bought you for high school. Despite the fact that the Audi you drive, is likely the only thing responsible for making ends meet in your life, you neglect it.

And yeah, there was that bit about how you don't have a ****ing clue about the real world.

I never implied anything...

as someone not familiar with pricing and the mechanic world...I made this thread to inquire on whether or not I should ask for a "favor" at one of these places...

I never, one time, said anything along the lines of "they better do it for $20 or they are stupid!!!"

I asked if that would be an offensive offer...I was told yes. And then I immediately said "cool, glad I asked."

and then you turned this thread into life lessons about an industry that fascinates me not

I could care less about cars...if mine works, cool. If not, not cool. If I go to a place and feel like they are ripping me off, I leave. If not, I pay. The end. Yay.

but thanks for your 200,000,000,582 character ongoing life lesson you've provided to all in this thread about how savvy you are at ripping people off