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[-King-]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

Thats Scary because Cassel sucks period but he sucks bigtime on third down.

Cassel teams have been better than Orton's on 3rd down in 3 out of the past 4 years. Orton led teams have been ranked higher than 20th in 3rd down % only ONCE in his career.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by -King-

Cassel teams have been better than Orton's on 3rd down in 3 out of the past 4 years. Orton led teams have been ranked higher than 20th in 3rd down % only ONCE in his career.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs

i didnt follow Orton till he landed in KC.
i hate to think of someone being worse than Cassel on third downs.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i didnt follow Orton till he landed in KC.
i hate to think of someone being worse than Cassel on third downs.

Same here. And all I know is this. When Orton started playing, our whole team got better. That is what good QB's are supposed to be able to do for a team.

Now this is not about Orton anymore... he is gone. This is about Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. And further, can either Quinn or Stanzi do for this offense what Orton did... and maybe even offer up a little bit more.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Same here. And all I know is this. When Orton started playing, our whole team got better. That is what good QB's are supposed to be able to do for a team.

Now this is not about Orton anymore... he is gone. This is about Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. And further, can either Quinn or Stanzi do for this offense what Orton did... and maybe even offer up a little bit more.

i agree, on all of it.
that's all i've been trying to say.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i agree, on all of it.
that's all i've been trying to say.

I know, and I am with you!

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Same here. And all I know is this. When Orton started playing, our whole team got better. That is what good QB's are supposed to be able to do for a team.

Now this is not about Orton anymore... he is gone. This is about Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. And further, can either Quinn or Stanzi do for this offense what Orton did... and maybe even offer up a little bit more.

I think the better play had more to do with the team playing up for Crennel. Orton didn't do anything in the three games he started other than show he's much better than Palko, so is Cassel. Orton and Cassel are interchangeable.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Messier

I think the better play had more to do with the team playing up for Crennel. Orton didn't do anything in the three games he started other than show he's much better than Palko, so is Cassel. Orton and Cassel are interchangeable.

THIS!

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Same here. And all I know is this. When Orton started playing, our whole team got better. That is what good QB's are supposed to be able to do for a team.

Now this is not about Orton anymore... he is gone. This is about Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. And further, can either Quinn or Stanzi do for this offense what Orton did... and maybe even offer up a little bit more.

WOW! You too! I really hate seeing posters I respect in this light... You argued for a guy you know nothing of?

The team got better when Romeo Crennel took over, not when Orton took over, get it right.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by aturnis

WOW! You too! I really hate seeing posters I respect in this light... You argued for a guy you know nothing of?

The team got better when Romeo Crennel took over, not when Orton took over, get it right.

Pretty much. This ABC thing is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by aturnis

WOW! You too! I really hate seeing posters I respect in this light... You argued for a guy you know nothing of?

The team got better when Romeo Crennel took over, not when Orton took over, get it right.

Here is the deal. I had watched Orton a few times, but not enough to have a great opinion on him. When we signed him... I wasn't jumping for joy. And I did not expect much when he got the chance to start. Better than Palko? Yes. I did expect that much.

But even though I did not expect much, I was stunned at the things he could do that Cassel could not do.

Now you can defend your boy Cassel all you want. That is fine. I'm ready to move on. And I do not care if it is Quinn or Stanzi... and those are our only two options.

Don't care if it is Quinn. Don't care if it Stanzi. I just know I have seen enough of Cassel.

Can we win games with Cassel? Sure. But only if the running game is carrying him. I have posted the 3-16 stats many times these past few months. They are what they are. Only way we win with Cassel is running game first. Not that that is a bad plan... I just want another option if Plan A is not working. Plan B is 3-16, and that is not good enough for me.

Can Quinn or Stanzi improve upon that? I have no ****ing clue. Nor do you. But I for one am ready to find out.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Can Quinn or Stanzi improve upon that? I have no ****ing clue. Nor do you. But I for one am ready to find out.

make that two of us.

[Coogs]

Matter of the fact is, I am a bit of an old schooler. While I like the passing game... I would much prefer to watch Charles run for 200 yards. That's my kind of football.

I just want a QB who can bail us out when that doesn't happen. And I am thinking that either Quinn or Stanzi can win games too... when Charles goes off for 200. That not a skill set that Cassel is the only QB in the NFL can win with.

It's who can provide us with plan B when plan A isn't working. And we all know that isn't Cassel.

Priest Holmes running all over the yard was awesome. Having Trent Green being able to compliment that was a thing of beauty. That's not asking for much, because Trent Grenn is not Canton bound. And I am not trying to steer this thread into a different direction. There was a Plan B that could work with TG on offense. Hell, we could even open the game with plan B, and compliment it with plan A. Sadly, there was just no defense.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Here is the deal. I had watched Orton a few times, but not enough to have a great opinion on him. When we signed him... I wasn't jumping for joy. And I did not expect much when he got the chance to start. Better than Palko? Yes. I did expect that much.

But even though I did not expect much, I was stunned at the things he could do that Cassel could not do.

Now you can defend your boy Cassel all you want. That is fine. I'm ready to move on. And I do not care if it is Quinn or Stanzi... and those are our only two options.

Don't care if it is Quinn. Don't care if it Stanzi. I just know I have seen enough of Cassel.

Can we win games with Cassel? Sure. But only if the running game is carrying him. I have posted the 3-16 stats many times these past few months. They are what they are. Only way we win with Cassel is running game first. Not that that is a bad plan... I just want another option if Plan A is not working. Plan B is 3-16, and that is not good enough for me.

Can Quinn or Stanzi improve upon that? I have no ****ing clue. Nor do you. But I for one am ready to find out.

Again. You act as though I am defending Cassel. I'm not. I'm pointing out that Orton is the same guy, + a deepball, and - 3rd down and redzone efficiency...

You're right, Orton could do things Cassel couldn't, throw the ball over 30 yds. Fact is, Cassel could punch the ball into the endzone and convert 3rd downs better. Which is better?

Orton is no better than the status quo, actually, worse. It'd take longer to rid the team of Orton than it will Cassel.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Again. You act as though I am defending Cassel. I'm not. I'm pointing out that Orton is the same guy, + a deepball, and - 3rd down and redzone efficiency...

You're right, Orton could do things Cassel couldn't, throw the ball over 30 yds. Fact is, Cassel could punch the ball into the endzone and convert 3rd downs better. Which is better?

Orton is no better than the status quo, actually, worse. It'd take longer to rid the team of Orton than it will Cassel.

Agreed.

And as for Quinn and Stanzi, I too want to know what they are. I don't think Quinn is better than Cassel, Stanzi is an unknown. We won't see either unless Cassel is injured this year.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Again. You act as though I am defending Cassel. I'm not. I'm pointing out that Orton is the same guy, + a deepball, and - 3rd down and redzone efficiency...

You're right, Orton could do things Cassel couldn't, throw the ball over 30 yds. Fact is, Cassel could punch the ball into the endzone and convert 3rd downs better. Which is better?

Orton is no better than the status quo, actually, worse. It'd take longer to rid the team of Orton than it will Cassel.

Many posts ago, this was posted...

Replacing bums with other bums accomplishes nothing and can set you even further back.

I disagree and used Orton as an exapmle. Didn't say Orton was Aaron Rodgers... a QB by the way that Orton happened to beat in his first game as QB here. Cassel has not beat a winning team in all his time here.

And again... I love the running game. Cassel must have that to win. That is a given... with stats to back it up.

Now I am not sure if Quinn and Stanzi are both bums or not. Seen to many here say Stanzi couldn't even beat out Palko... therefore he is a bum. And I know Quinns track record as well. I am just not ready to classify him as a bum either... although he could be.

Bottom line is though that for me... I am not ready to classify either of those two as bums. Cassel... you will get no arguement from me on that issue.