Did Roaf retire because he did not want to be associated with a conservative offense?

Logical · 12-19-2006, 12:26 AM

I got to thinking about it and he went out on a high note. Protecting his reputation, something that might have suffered under Solari and Herm?

Hammock Parties · 12-19-2006, 12:27 AM

Roaf retired because he had a busted wheel. Our offense really isn't that conservative. We were plenty agressive against the Chargers and it didn't make a difference. We don't have the talent on the offensive line to be a high-flying offense.

Logical · 12-19-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Roaf retired because he had a busted wheel. Our offense really isn't that conservative. We were plenty agressive against the Chargers and it didn't make a difference. We don't have the talent on the offensive line to be a high-flying offense.

Run, Run Pass,

Run, Run Pass

is not what I call agressive. I will admit the defense was more agressive. This season worked out exactly as I predicted. Mid level defense and an offense that was going to fall, way, way off.

Hammock Parties · 12-19-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Logical

Run, Run Pass,

Run, Run Pass

is not what I call agressive. .

That hasn't been our gameplan all year, either. People only remember the horribly called games for some reason.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2006, 12:58 AM

As it was so eloquently put in the movie Major League:

"Who gives a shit, it's (he's) gone...."

Wallcrawler · 12-19-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

That hasn't been our gameplan all year, either. People only remember the horribly called games for some reason.

Oh, you mean the games where the Chiefs score only ONE touchdown, or NO TOUCHDOWNS AT ALL, right?

Geez. Why would we remember those games, and the horrific gameplanning that spawned them I wonder?

Could it be that those games are the very reason that the Chiefs wont be making the playoffs for yet another year? I mean, lack of talent on the field is one thing, but having an inept coordinator compounds the problem severely. If you cant score touchdowns, you dont win. Under Solari/Edwards, the same bunch of guys that used to rack up 4-5 TDs a game now can barely muster up one in some games.

We can sure attempt a lot of FGs though!!

VS Cincinnatti - 1 TD

@ Denver- 0 TD

@ Pittsburgh- 1 TD

@ Miami- 1 TD

VS Baltimore- 1 TD

@ San Diego- 0 TD

Hell man, the only team we lost to and actually scored Touchdowns was against the Browns, a game that can actually be attributed to the defense.

Look at those numbers. FOUR Touchdowns in those 6 losses. That was a 1 game average under Saunders/Vermiel.

Its time for Herm to wake the F up, realize this is not the 1950's and realize you have to throw the football as well as run to win. Its also time for Solari to pack his shit.

**Easy 6** · 12-19-2006, 08:22 AM

I'm giving Willie the benefit of the doubt, all reports said that watching him walk even gave the witnesses joint pain.

His knees prolly sounded like popping bubble wrap when he locomoted.

Reerun_KC · 12-19-2006, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Oh, you mean the games where the Chiefs score only ONE touchdown, or NO TOUCHDOWNS AT ALL, right?

Geez. Why would we remember those games, and the horrific gameplanning that spawned them I wonder?

Could it be that those games are the very reason that the Chiefs wont be making the playoffs for yet another year? I mean, lack of talent on the field is one thing, but having an inept coordinator compounds the problem severely. If you cant score touchdowns, you dont win. Under Solari/Edwards, the same bunch of guys that used to rack up 4-5 TDs a game now can barely muster up one in some games.

We can sure attempt a lot of FGs though!!

VS Cincinnatti - 1 TD

@ Denver- 0 TD

@ Pittsburgh- 1 TD

@ Miami- 1 TD

VS Baltimore- 1 TD

@ San Diego- 0 TD

Hell man, the only team we lost to and actually scored Touchdowns was against the Browns, a game that can actually be attributed to the defense.

Look at those numbers. FOUR Touchdowns in those 6 losses. That was a 1 game average under Saunders/Vermiel.

Its time for Herm to wake the F up, realize this is not the 1950's and realize you have to throw the football as well as run to win. Its also time for Solari to pack his shit.

What I dont get is all the bashing of the OC? Herm is the fucking Coach and has been doing this pathetic Shit for years in NYJ.. Solari is his first year.

Everyone here keeps saying give herm a chance, a chance for what? To be a total fuckup like in NY?

If you give Herm (a repeat offender a chance) you have to Give solari more than one year as well....

siberian khatru · 12-19-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Oh, you mean the games where the Chiefs score only ONE touchdown, or NO TOUCHDOWNS AT ALL, right?

Geez. Why would we remember those games, and the horrific gameplanning that spawned them I wonder?

Could it be that those games are the very reason that the Chiefs wont be making the playoffs for yet another year? I mean, lack of talent on the field is one thing, but having an inept coordinator compounds the problem severely. If you cant score touchdowns, you dont win. Under Solari/Edwards, the same bunch of guys that used to rack up 4-5 TDs a game now can barely muster up one in some games.

We can sure attempt a lot of FGs though!!

VS Cincinnatti - 1 TD

@ Denver- 0 TD

@ Pittsburgh- 1 TD

@ Miami- 1 TD

VS Baltimore- 1 TD

@ San Diego- 0 TD

Hell man, the only team we lost to and actually scored Touchdowns was against the Browns, a game that can actually be attributed to the defense.

Look at those numbers. FOUR Touchdowns in those 6 losses. That was a 1 game average under Saunders/Vermiel.

Its time for Herm to wake the F up, realize this is not the 1950's and realize you have to throw the football as well as run to win. Its also time for Solari to pack his shit.

That really crystallizes it.

Add in the one TD we scored vs. Denver in KC. That's a win, but it also means that we've scored one or none TDs in SEVEN games this year -- that's HALF our schedule so far. Think about that: We've scored one or zero TDs in HALF our games so far.

htismaqe · 12-19-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Under Solari/Edwards, the same bunch of guys that used to rack up 4-5 TDs a game now can barely muster up one in some games.

The same bunch of guys...other than Willie Roaf, Tony Richardson, John Welbourn for half the year, and Kevin Sampson.

Yeah, it's the same bunch of guys all right.

Rooster · 12-19-2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Look at those numbers. FOUR Touchdowns in those 6 losses. That was a 1 game average under Saunders/Vermiel.

When will the Vermeil lovefest end? The Chiefs accomplished zero, nadda, zilch in his time here. They were the softest team I have ever seen wearing the Red and Gold.

**2112** · 12-19-2006, 01:00 AM

Not for nothing..but I'm going to chime in..

I watched alot of the Chiefs games this year..and have read the board..and heard alot of people blaming the offensive line..

It's the coaches responsibility to maximize his own teams strengths,and take advantage of the oppositions weaknesses..if the o-line is that horrible,wouldn't it make sense to be unpredictable,and keep the defense off balance??
Watching that game last night,I thought I was watching the 2001-2005 Jet offense..and Herm is lucky he hasn't gotten Trent Green killed yet..

Green is constantly being put in obvious passing situations all the time..which makes the margin for error very small..it's Hermanolgy..

Chief Nute · 12-19-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells

Not for nothing..but I'm going to chime in..

I watched alot of the Chiefs games this year..and have read the board..and heard alot of people blaming the offensive line..

It's the coaches responsibility to maximize his own teams strengths,and take advantage of the oppositions weaknesses..if the o-line is that horrible,wouldn't it make sense to be unpredictable,and keep the defense off balance??
Watching that game last night,I thought I was watching the 2001-2005 Jet offense..and Herm is lucky he hasn't gotten Trent Green killed yet..

Green is constantly being put in obvious passing situations all the time..which makes the margin for error very small..it's Hermanolgy..

I've thought our offense has looked like the Jets of the early 2000's all year....next thing you know, we will be using a high draft pick on a place kicker........good God......help us.

BigRock · 12-19-2006, 12:40 AM

That's exactly why he retired. Roaf did consider the possibility that a strong offensive line, LJ behind it, and Herm bringing the defense along would be a promising combo, but ultimately he felt that he didn't want to win if winning meant being conservative.

teedubya · 12-19-2006, 12:51 AM

I think Roaf retired partly because of that Car Wreck he had back late spring last year. I was driving to work and saw his Hummer crunch this truck pretty badly. It hasnt been publicly stated, but that could have been part of his unhealing.

??

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12-19-2006, 12:51 AM	#15
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9490002	I think Roaf retired partly because of that Car Wreck he had back late spring last year. I was driving to work and saw his Hummer crunch this truck pretty badly. It hasnt been publicly stated, but that could have been part of his unhealing. ??
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