Damn I miss Dick Vermiel!

[milkman]

Originally Posted by bricks

Roaf was one of the better trades in Chiefs history.

But, you don't consider Trent Green a solid move?
C'mon. The guy gave the Chiefs 5 productive seasons, made two probowls, was unquestionably one of the better leaders on the ball club. In fact, I think Trent Green could be ranked up there as one of the better Chiefs QBs in history.I'm speaking directly from a longevity and productivity standpoint. I understand that giving up a first round pick is a lot for a 31 year old QB at the time, but when that first round pick turns out to be Damione Lewis, and your QB produces consistently for 5 seasons, makes probowls, that is win and without a doubt a very solid move by the Chiefs.

Meanwhile, Drew Brees, who it was rumored would have been the choice with that first round pick is still lighting up the NFL 11 years later.

The goal for a first round pick should be foundational pieces that last a decade or more.

5 year stop gaps are a poor use of that value.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

Meanwhile, Drew Brees, who it was rumored would have been the choice with that first round pick is still lighting up the NFL 11 years later.

The goal for a first round pick should be foundational pieces that last a decade or more.

5 year stop gaps are a poor use of that value.

The trade for Trent Green would have been a colossal success if we had followed it up with taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

I totally agree that the better usage of that pick would have been taking Brees, in hindsight, but spending a late first round pick for 5 years of elite QB play is a deal Id do every time.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The trade for Trent Green would have been a colossal success if we had followed it up with taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

I totally agree that the better usage of that pick would have been taking Brees, in hindsight, but spending a late first round pick for 5 years of elite QB play is a deal Id do every time.

It wasn't five years. It was four.

He was piss poor in 2001 and much better from 2002-2004. By 2006, he was shot.

Drew Brees would have been the better selection, by far.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It wasn't five years. It was four.

He was piss poor in 2001 and much better from 2002-2004. By 2006, he was shot.

Drew Brees would have been the better selection, by far.

I said as much and if it weren't for that opening day concussion in 2006, Trent probably would have played another 2 years. My point is that if you can get a few years of ELITE qb play for a late first round pick, its not terrible usage of that selection. IMO the problem was Carl passing on Aaron Rodgers when Trent was already 35 years old.

My God what we could have had for 2 late first round picks...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I said as much and if it weren't for that opening day concussion in 2006, Trent probably would have played another 2 years. My point is that if you can get a few years of ELITE qb play for a late first round pick, its not terrible usage of that selection. IMO the problem was Carl passing on Aaron Rodgers when Trent was already 35 years old.

My God what we could have had for 2 late first round picks...

Late? It was #12 overall, IIRC, for TrInt.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Late? It was #12 overall, IIRC, for TrInt.

You're right. I thought that the pick was around 20 or so...That means we would have reached almost a whole round to take Brees and who knows if he would have worked out for KC, he didn't work out for SD.

Im still not mad that we moved the pick for Trent as much as us passing on Aaron Rodgers once Trent was already 35.

It is what it is.

Lets just hope we dont **** up our draft position and that we take Geno Smith when we have the chance to do so.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You're right. I thought that the pick was around 20 or so...That means we would have reached almost a whole round to take Brees and who knows if he would have worked out for KC, he didn't work out for SD.

Im still not mad that we moved the pick for Trent as much as us passing on Aaron Rodgers once Trent was already 35.

It is what it is.

Lets just hope we dont **** up our draft position and that we take Geno Smith when we have the chance to do so.

Oh, come on.

You can't say that the Chiefs would have "reached" for Brees while at the same time wished they had taken Rodgers.

The fact of the matter is that they failed on both but Brees was the more obvious choice.

He would have excelled with Vermeil, Saunders and Holmes and it wouldn't have cost the Chiefs a dime.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The trade for Trent Green would have been a colossal success if we had followed it up with taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

I totally agree that the better usage of that pick would have been taking Brees, in hindsight, but spending a late first round pick for 5 years of elite QB play is a deal Id do every time.

Not me.

That first year was a learning process, so Green was only "elite" (not what I'd call it, but that would only be arguing definitions) for 4 years.

That's a short window.

I would not spend a first round pick on a guy that gives me that short a window.