Surtain to Arizona? - Page 4

VonneMarie · 04-19-2005, 05:40 PM

Good grief. King just said on ESPN that the Cards are the new favorite to trade for Surtain.

I didn't catch it all. Anyone catch it?

shaneo69 · 04-19-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Anyone who won't trade a 2nd round pick for a probowl CB is a crap gulping reerun in need of a pile driver.

So if Carlos Rogers is there at #15, you want to pass on him?

Chiefs Pantalones · 04-19-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

So if Carlos Rogers is there at #15, you want to pass on him?

I wouldn't be mad, at this point, at who draft with the #15 pick just as long as it's a D player and not a reach or project pick that has the whole country, not just Chiefs fans, scratching their heads.

**Bowser** · 04-19-2005, 09:36 PM

It's Peter King, fer cryin out loud. Normally, that would be enough to dismiss the story. But this IS the Chiefs front office. At this point, right now, I would not be suprised one way or another how the Surtain thing turns out.

But seriously, look at the guys at reciever we're going up against this year......

Week 1 - Laveranues Coles/Wayne Chrebet
Week 2 - Randy Moss/Jerry Porter
Week 3 - Rod Smith/Ashlie LeeLee
Week 4 - Terrell Owens/Todd Pinkston/Freddie Mitchell
Week 6 - Santana Moss/ ?
Week 7 - Chris Chambers/ ?
Week 8 - Keenan McCardell/Eric Parker (probablly somebody else)
Week 9 - Moss/Porter
Week 10 - Eric Moulds/Lee Evans
Week 11 - Andre Johnson/Jabbar Gaffney
Week 12 - New England and their five wide attack
Week 13 - Smith/LeeLee
Week 14 - Keyshawn Johnson/ ?
Week 15 - at NY Giants (finally a break?)
Week 16 - McCardell/ some young buck/Antonio Gates
Week 17 - Chad Johnson/Peter Warrick/TJ Houshenmenzadah(?)

If we don't get Surtain, I will run interference for Talking Can while he pops CP like a zit. Knowing how our defensive secondary played last year, there is no WAY we shouldn't get this deal done, especially after looking at the upcoming schedule.

jspchief · 04-19-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

And what about LB? Start Key Fox, or give Kawika another chance? Or maybe you're a big fan of Scanlon?

What do you think we'll get with a second rounder? Someone better than Fox or Mitchell? Not likely. Or maybe someone better than Surtain?

Ignoring the fact that the Chiefs draft poorly in early rounds, the odds are still against a second round pick making any significant impact in his rookie year.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-19-2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

It's Peter King, fer cryin out loud. Normally, that would be enough to dismiss the story. But this IS the Chiefs front office. At this point, right now, I would not be suprised one way or another how the Surtain thing turns out.

But seriously, look at the guys at reciever we're going up against this year......

Week 1 - Laveranues Coles/Wayne Chrebet
Week 2 - Randy Moss/Jerry Porter
Week 3 - Rod Smith/Ashlie LeeLee
Week 4 - Terrell Owens/Todd Pinkston/Freddie Mitchell
Week 6 - Santana Moss/ ?
Week 7 - Chris Chambers/ ?
Week 8 - Keenan McCardell/Eric Parker (probablly somebody else)
Week 9 - Moss/Porter
Week 10 - Eric Moulds/Lee Evans
Week 11 - Andre Johnson/Jabbar Gaffney
Week 12 - New England and their five wide attack
Week 13 - Smith/LeeLee
Week 14 - Keyshawn Johnson/ ?
Week 15 - at NY Giants (finally a break?)
Week 16 - McCardell/ some young buck/Antonio Gates
Week 17 - Chad Johnson/Peter Warrick/TJ Houshenmenzadah(?)

If we don't get Surtain, I will run interference for Talking Can while he pops CP like a zit. Knowing how our defensive secondary played last year, there is no WAY we shouldn't get this deal done, especially after looking at the upcoming schedule.

We don't get a break with the Giants - they signed Plaxico Burress.

Hammock Parties · 04-19-2005, 09:43 PM

Boy if King Carl blows this one, Chiefs fans will never forgive him.

**Bowser** · 04-19-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

We don't get a break with the Giants - they signed Plaxico Burress.

Well, there you have it. I forgot they pulled off that trade. Do they still have Toomer?

Hammock Parties · 04-19-2005, 09:45 PM

Those receivers are only part of the equation. We don't face the cream of the crop as far as QBs are concerned. Here are the only ones I'm worred about:

Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins x2
Donovan McNabb
Drew Brees x2
Tom Brady

**Bowser** · 04-19-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

Those receivers are only part of the equation. We don't face the cream of the crop as far as QBs are concerned. Here are the only ones I'm worred about:

Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins x2
Donovan McNabb
Drew Brees x2
Tom Brady

Hell, we'll put JP Losman in the Hall of Fame if we don't bring in Surtain, or someone equal to him. I think I'm going Gaz towards the thought of getting Ty Law.

And don't discount David Carr. That kid is underrated.

Hammock Parties · 04-19-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Hell, we'll put JP Losman in the Hall of Fame if we don't bring in Surtain, or someone equal to him. I think I'm going Gaz towards the thought of getting Ty Law.

And don't discount David Carr. That kid is underrated.

He didn't do much against us last year.

Look at who we faced last year:

Jake Delhomme
Mike Vick
Peyton Manning
Brian Griese
Aaron Brooks
Tom Brady
Drew Brees x2
Billy Volek

I'd say our 2005 QB schedule is much less daunting.

Chan93lx50 · 04-19-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

It's Peter King, fer cryin out loud. Normally, that would be enough to dismiss the story. But this IS the Chiefs front office. At this point, right now, I would not be suprised one way or another how the Surtain thing turns out.

But seriously, look at the guys at reciever we're going up against this year......

Week 1 - Laveranues Coles/Wayne Chrebet
Week 2 - Randy Moss/Jerry Porter
Week 3 - Rod Smith/Ashlie LeeLee
Week 4 - Terrell Owens/Todd Pinkston/Freddie Mitchell
Week 6 - Santana Moss/ ?
Week 7 - Chris Chambers/ ?
Week 8 - Keenan McCardell/Eric Parker (probablly somebody else)
Week 9 - Moss/Porter
Week 10 - Eric Moulds/Lee Evans
Week 11 - Andre Johnson/Jabbar Gaffney
Week 12 - New England and their five wide attack
Week 13 - Smith/LeeLee
Week 14 - Keyshawn Johnson/ ?
Week 15 - at NY Giants (finally a break?)
Week 16 - McCardell/ some young buck/Antonio Gates
Week 17 - Chad Johnson/Peter Warrick/TJ Houshenmenzadah(?)

If we don't get Surtain, I will run interference for Talking Can while he pops CP like a zit. Knowing how our defensive secondary played last year, there is no WAY we shouldn't get this deal done, especially after looking at the upcoming schedule.

My God they are going to rip us a new asshole

VonneMarie · 04-19-2005, 10:07 PM

Just a little something from KFFL.

Chiefs | Still Working on Surtain Trade - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:58:05 -0700

Updating ongoing reports, according to KCChiefs.com, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson has confirmed that the Chiefs continue to work on a possible deal to land Miami Dolphins CB Patrick Surtain in a trade. "We're still talking, still negotiating, still trying to do something that makes sense contract-wise for the Kansas City Chiefs and it has to make sense for Patrick and his representative," Peterson said. Peterson added a deal would have to get done prior to the NFL Draft because Surtain's contract situation was "too complex" to be worked out on draft day.

If it ain't done by draft day, I don't think we gettin' him.

**Bowser** · 04-19-2005, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

He didn't do much against us last year.

Look at who we faced last year:

Jake Delhomme
Mike Vick
Peyton Manning
Brian Griese
Aaron Brooks
Tom Brady
Drew Brees x2
Billy Volek

I'd say our 2005 QB schedule is much less daunting.

Oh, I don't disagree about the quality of QB this year compared to last. We'll just have to agree to disagree about Carr. I think he is a sure fire up-and-comer. I remember that pass he hit to Andre Johnson down the sideline last year. It was an incredible catch by Johson, but players like that make your QB better.

And he DID beat us last year.....

Hammock Parties · 04-19-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Oh, I don't disagree about the quality of QB this year compared to last. We'll just have to agree to disagree about Carr. I think he is a sure fire up-and-comer. I remember that pass he hit to Andre Johnson down the sideline last year. It was an incredible catch by Johson, but players like that make your QB better.

And he DID beat us last year.....

Trent Green's pass to Coleman beat us last year.

**Bowser** · 04-19-2005, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

Trent Green's pass to Coleman beat us last year.

Yeah, there was that little tidbit I was trying to block out my memory.......

04-19-2005, 05:40 PM
VonneMarie Don't look over here Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10008987	Surtain to Arizona? Good grief. King just said on ESPN that the Cards are the new favorite to trade for Surtain. I didn't catch it all. Anyone catch it?
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04-19-2005, 09:36 PM	#48
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3341616	It's Peter King, fer cryin out loud. Normally, that would be enough to dismiss the story. But this IS the Chiefs front office. At this point, right now, I would not be suprised one way or another how the Surtain thing turns out. But seriously, look at the guys at reciever we're going up against this year...... Week 1 - Laveranues Coles/Wayne Chrebet Week 2 - Randy Moss/Jerry Porter Week 3 - Rod Smith/Ashlie LeeLee Week 4 - Terrell Owens/Todd Pinkston/Freddie Mitchell Week 6 - Santana Moss/ ? Week 7 - Chris Chambers/ ? Week 8 - Keenan McCardell/Eric Parker (probablly somebody else) Week 9 - Moss/Porter Week 10 - Eric Moulds/Lee Evans Week 11 - Andre Johnson/Jabbar Gaffney Week 12 - New England and their five wide attack Week 13 - Smith/LeeLee Week 14 - Keyshawn Johnson/ ? Week 15 - at NY Giants (finally a break?) Week 16 - McCardell/ some young buck/Antonio Gates Week 17 - Chad Johnson/Peter Warrick/TJ Houshenmenzadah(?) If we don't get Surtain, I will run interference for Talking Can while he pops CP like a zit. Knowing how our defensive secondary played last year, there is no WAY we shouldn't get this deal done, especially after looking at the upcoming schedule.
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04-19-2005, 09:43 PM	#51
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04-19-2005, 09:45 PM	#53
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4590478	Those receivers are only part of the equation. We don't face the cream of the crop as far as QBs are concerned. Here are the only ones I'm worred about: Chad Pennington Kerry Collins x2 Donovan McNabb Drew Brees x2 Tom Brady __________________ Chiefs game films
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04-19-2005, 10:07 PM	#57
VonneMarie Don't look over here Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10008987	Just a little something from KFFL. Chiefs \| Still Working on Surtain Trade - from www.KFFL.com Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:58:05 -0700 Updating ongoing reports, according to KCChiefs.com, Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson has confirmed that the Chiefs continue to work on a possible deal to land Miami Dolphins CB Patrick Surtain in a trade. "We're still talking, still negotiating, still trying to do something that makes sense contract-wise for the Kansas City Chiefs and it has to make sense for Patrick and his representative," Peterson said. Peterson added a deal would have to get done prior to the NFL Draft because Surtain's contract situation was "too complex" to be worked out on draft day. If it ain't done by draft day, I don't think we gettin' him.
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