Today 12/27 Mel Kiper says.......

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Mayock on Blaine Gabbert.

But here's the thing - Pest, is anything he said there inaccurate?

He's a big, strong-armed QB with bad feet that leaves the pocket too soon. He came up from a spread offense and needed to learn a lot at the NFL level.

Absolutely all of that was accurate. What he didn't get right was his belief that Gabbert would be able to overcome that. Frankly, I don't believe Gabbert had a prayer in JAX. That was an awful situation, especially for a kid that clearly needed a year or even 2 of study and preparation for this level.

Mayock wasn't wrong in his analysis, he was just wrong in how Gabbert developed. Can you really hold the fact that Jacksonville threw Gabbert to the wolves well before he was ready?

I like Mayock quite a bit.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But here's the thing - Pest, is anything he said there inaccurate?

He's a big, strong-armed QB with bad feet that leaves the pocket too soon. He came up from a spread offense and needed to learn a lot at the NFL level.

Absolutely all of that was accurate. What he didn't get right was his belief that Gabbert would be able to overcome that. Frankly, I don't believe Gabbert had a prayer in JAX. That was an awful situation, especially for a kid that clearly needed a year or even 2 of study and preparation for this level.

Mayock wasn't wrong in his analysis, he was just wrong in how Gabbert developed. Can you really hold the fact that Jacksonville threw Gabbert to the wolves well before he was ready?

I like Mayock quite a bit.

I was going off of the fact that he said that Gabbert was the ONLY QB worthy of being taken in the top 5 that year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I was going off of the fact that he said that Gabbert was the ONLY QB worthy of being taken in the top 5 that year.

Okay, let's say we spot him Newton, who I wasn't terribly fond of either. Was there any other QB that year worth taking that high?

Locker? Ponder? Dalton? In hindsight, Kaepernick is likely to be a very good one, but you're full of shit if you try to claim you were on board with taking him in the top 5.

I mean hell, look at how loaded the top of that draft was. Miller, Green, Peterson, Jones, Smith and Watt are all insanely good. Newton is clearly the only person that belongs in that class of players and even then, Miller, Green, Smith and Watt are arguably more valuable. And Mayock was hardly alone on not like Newton.

What I'm trying to say is that he really didn't miss by much, did he? He believed Gabbert could be developed to overcome shortcomings that he clearly identified - it didn't happen (and the Jags are at least partially responsible for that).

It wasn't a JaMarcus Russel will be the next Elway style ****up...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Okay, let's say we spot him Newton, who I wasn't terribly fond of either. Was there any other QB that year worth taking that high?

Locker? Ponder? Dalton? In hindsight, Kaepernick is likely to be a very good one, but you're full of shit if you try to claim you were on board with taking him in the top 5.

I mean hell, look at how loaded the top of that draft was. Miller, Green, Peterson, Jones, Smith and Watt are all insanely good. Newton is clearly the only person that belongs in that class of players and even then, Miller, Green, Smith and Watt are arguably more valuable. And Mayock was hardly alone on not like Newton.

What I'm trying to say is that he really didn't miss by much, did he? He believed Gabbert could be developed to overcome shortcomings that he clearly identified - it didn't happen (and the Jags are at least partially responsible for that).

It wasn't a JaMarcus Russel will be the next Elway style ****up...

This. I think Mayock is one of the better ones when it comes to talking about QBs.