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Old 11-16-2012, 05:14 PM   #1
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Baldwin is worth keeping for now, no doubt about it imo.

Most wr's take 2-3 years to become an efficient machine, throw in the fact that he's on a team in stage 9 meltdown... yeah, i've seen enough flash to want to see what more there is on a stable team.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:52 PM   #2
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Baldwin is worth keeping for now, no doubt about it imo.

Most wr's take 2-3 years to become an efficient machine, throw in the fact that he's on a team in stage 9 meltdown... yeah, i've seen enough flash to want to see what more there is on a stable team.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:27 PM   #3
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Baldwin is worth keeping for now, no doubt about it imo.

Most wr's take 2-3 years to become an efficient machine, throw in the fact that he's on a team in stage 9 meltdown... yeah, i've seen enough flash to want to see what more there is on a stable team.
Baldwin hasn't even had an opportunity to show what he has. I am not sure how you can judge any receiver right now with Cassel launching his wobbles at his first read almost exclusively, if he actually gets a pass off before going fetal.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:29 PM   #4
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Baldwin hasn't even had an opportunity to show what he has. I am not sure how you can judge any receiver right now with Cassel launching his wobbles at his first read almost exclusively, if he actually gets a pass off before going fetal.
Baldwin has had plenty of opportunity. He struggles to get open because he is just not very quick, and you can see it when the ball is in his hands.

He has straight line speed (4.4, not even elite speed) and elite jumping ability. That's it.

Other receivers have had plenty of success with Cassel throwing. Bowe, Breaston, Chris Chambers for a few games in 2009, Wes Welker and Randy Moss in New England. Tony Moeaki was very good as a rookie.

Baldwin is a bust. He's Mike Williams II. A big guy with some speed who can't get open against NFL DBs. It says a lot about what the Chiefs think about his abilities that he hasn't received a single jump ball in the red zone this year.

He's just not very good. Scott Pioli has this bugaboo about drafting physical specimens. He falls in love with height/weight. That's why he picked Baldwin. That's why he picked Tyson Jackson. That's why he picked Dontari Poe.

Baldwin is not a bust yet. But next year, when he has about 15 catches after Week 8, he will be.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:09 AM   #5
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Baldwin has had plenty of opportunity. He struggles to get open because he is just not very quick, and you can see it when the ball is in his hands.

He has straight line speed (4.4, not even elite speed) and elite jumping ability. That's it.

Other receivers have had plenty of success with Cassel throwing. Bowe, Breaston, Chris Chambers for a few games in 2009, Wes Welker and Randy Moss in New England. Tony Moeaki was very good as a rookie.

Baldwin is a bust. He's Mike Williams II. A big guy with some speed who can't get open against NFL DBs. It says a lot about what the Chiefs think about his abilities that he hasn't received a single jump ball in the red zone this year.

He's just not very good. Scott Pioli has this bugaboo about drafting physical specimens. He falls in love with height/weight. That's why he picked Baldwin. That's why he picked Tyson Jackson. That's why he picked Dontari Poe.

Baldwin is not a bust yet. But next year, when he has about 15 catches after Week 8, he will be.
You think Randy Moss had success with Cassel in New England? Compare the numbers with Cassel and Brady. There was a lot of news about that at the time.

I explained earlier in the thread why Moeaki and the rest had success in 2010, #25. Besides, Cassel was just flat playing better than he has since.
Chambers, seriously?

Baldwin had a short season due to Thomas Jones, then no training camp due to the strike, now Paul Hacket 2.0 for and OC with the worst QB in the league.

You are a numbers guy, Baldwin has done a better job than Moeaki and Breaston in 2012 trying to catch the crap Cassel is subjecting them to.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:12 AM   #6
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Chambers, seriously?
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Yes, Chambers. He had 600 yards receiving for this team in 2009 in only 9 games. That equates to a 1,000-yard season.

So far Baldwin is the least productive wide receiver the Chiefs have had during Cassel's time in KC. He makes McCluster, who ****ing sucks, look good.

What does that tell you?

Breaston, in 2011, looked fine. This season he has obviously been Pioli'd.

Baldwin has flashed something in only one game here. And he did it against a 4th string CB who happened to be starting that game.

He is an abysmal player and QB changes won't help him. He didn't do shit with Orton last year.

And despite the fact that he's playing a LOT more this season, his receiving yards per game has barely improved at all.

He sucks and he's not showing improvement.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:40 AM   #7
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He sucks and he's not showing improvement.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:49 PM   #8
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You think Randy Moss had success with Cassel in New England? Compare the numbers with Cassel and Brady. There was a lot of news about that at the time.

I explained earlier in the thread why Moeaki and the rest had success in 2010, #25. Besides, Cassel was just flat playing better than he has since.
Chambers, seriously?

Baldwin had a short season due to Thomas Jones, then no training camp due to the strike, now Paul Hacket 2.0 for and OC with the worst QB in the league.

You are a numbers guy, Baldwin has done a better job than Moeaki and Breaston in 2012 trying to catch the crap Cassel is subjecting them to.
Clay has said many times that Cassel made moss a worse player.

he likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:51 PM   #9
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Clay has said many times that Cassel made moss a worse player.

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That still doesn't mean Baldwin is any good.

Cassel probably makes Baldwin worse, yes.

With a better QB he'd still be pretty below average.

Cassel turns elite receivers into good receivers and below average receivers like Baldwin into complete shit. Which is what he is.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:53 PM   #10
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That still doesn't mean Baldwin is any good.

Cassel probably makes Baldwin worse, yes.

With a better QB he'd still be pretty below average.

Cassel turns elite receivers into good receivers and below average receivers like Baldwin into complete shit. Which is what he is.
what it actually means is that you can't put much stock in what you say.


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Baldwin hasn't even had an opportunity to show what he has. I am not sure how you can judge any receiver right now with Cassel launching his wobbles at his first read almost exclusively, if he actually gets a pass off before going fetal.
This isn't true.
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