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Old 12-18-2013, 12:37 AM  
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Who is more responsible for this turnaround. Clark Hunt, John Dorsey, or Andy Reid.
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Old 12-18-2013, 08:59 AM   #46
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Why would Clay want to save a team he hates?
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:08 AM   #47
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All listed plus the players.

Also, along these same lines I'm really hoping Reid gets coach of the year.

There is an article on put this morning on how Rivera or Philbin might be the front runner

The article states there are 50 voters and it's not announced till SB week, I think that awards show on Saturday night before the game. I'm assuming they have to base this on regular season only.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:18 AM   #48
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Hunt, he spent a shitload of money getting rid of the old regime and hiring a new one!
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:24 AM   #49
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Clark for getting Reid here, and Reid for doing what many thought he was too burnt out to do at this point in his career, which is coach at a level easily on par with his best years with the Eagles.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:27 AM   #50
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For this year, it's Reid and Alex Smith. Head Coach and QB have been our two biggest weaknesses going back to the Vermeil/Green era.

Going forward, having Dorsey will probably prove to just be as good of an upgrade.

But in terms of turning around a 2-14 team with almost the same roster as before, obviously, coaching and a new QB were bigger factors this year.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:28 AM   #51
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The guy writing the checks.

WTF did Clay do for SOC that was so epic?
People who think SOC brought on the housecleaning are funny.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:41 AM   #52
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The Pioli document, that was pretty good stuff I will admit. Even if it was all plagiarized.
He did lots of video and graphics work to work social media into a frenzy. He was a player.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:42 AM   #53
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I give credit to Peterson, Pioli and Reid/Dorsey for putting this talented group together, even though we can second guess a lot of the choices.

Andy Reid is the guy that created a winning environment that enabled the talent to succeed, thus he gets my vote. I know Clark gets a lot of credit, but he also picked Pioli.

Who would have ever thought the trade of Jared Allen could be so positive in a 3rd round pick of Jamaal Charles?
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:43 AM   #54
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Took all three working together.

But it all started with Clark making the command decisions.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:49 AM   #55
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I give credit to Peterson, Pioli and Reid/Dorsey for putting this talented group together, even though we can second guess a lot of the choices.

Andy Reid is the guy that created a winning environment that enabled the talent to succeed, thus he gets my vote. I know Clark gets a lot of credit, but he also picked Pioli.

Who would have ever thought the trade of Jared Allen could be so positive in a 3rd round pick of Jamaal Charles?
Regardless of the previous mistake with Pioli, nothing happens without the sweeping changes made by Hunt.

Reid and Dorsey are responsible for the change in culture, but it stil comes down to the act of making change.
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People who think SOC brought on the housecleaning are funny.
If Clark is anything like his father, his loyalty to bullshit could have led to terrible things.

How many years of empty seats did Arrowhead suffer in the 70s and the 80s before Lamar made changes?

2-14 and empty seats are a pretty strong message, but just in case it wasn't enough, there was also SOC. It was a safety measure to ENSURE that Clark did the right thing.
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Regardless of the previous mistake with Pioli, nothing happens without the sweeping changes made by Hunt.

Reid and Dorsey are responsible for the change in culture, but it stil comes down to the act of making change.
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Clark got it done. He manned up and immediately went after Andy Reid... and made Pioli's bitch ass sit in the airport for eleven hours, knowing that his job was gone if he hired Reid.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:36 AM   #59
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The turnaround involved many people but it has to be given to Clark the most. Yes, SOC helped spark and unite a fan base; however, ultimately Clark made the decision, recognized the failure of the Pioli era (most prominently the disconnect from the coach), and made the move. Then he proceeded to lure a very attractive head coach and then a very attractive general manager.
not sure about that- many people on the Terrorhead group hated it-but it did get national attention.

I think Losing games and not being competitive wounded Clarks pride and the whole Belcher thing just put all their dirty laundry out there. Chiefs were a joke and when banners are flying over your stadium-it was time to take action.

Clark really changed my opinion of him- he stepped up and is making his own way now.
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If Clark is anything like his father, his loyalty to bullshit could have led to terrible things.

How many years of empty seats did Arrowhead suffer in the 70s and the 80s before Lamar made changes?

2-14 and empty seats are a pretty strong message, but just in case it wasn't enough, there was also SOC. It was a safety measure to ENSURE that Clark did the right thing.
They did the right thing and swept out Carl and Herm after a 2-14 season, and completely cleaned house. There was no SOC then.
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