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**Iowanian** · 10-05-2011, 02:30 PM

How is this not a topic of discussion on a KC message board?

blaise · 10-07-2011, 01:11 PM

I see people tweeting that police are searching a landfill in JOCO relating to this somehow.

ReynardMuldrake · 10-07-2011, 01:18 PM

Dumpster Fire Leads Police To Search Landfill

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-poli...,5538504.story

FBI, Police Search Landfill In Missing Baby Case

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29419762/detail.html

FBI: Johnson County landfill search tied to Lisa Irwin case

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...isa-Irwin-case

**Saulbadguy** · 10-07-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake

Dumpster Fire Leads Police To Search Landfill

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-poli...,5538504.story

ForeverChiefs58 · 10-07-2011, 01:26 PM

KANSAS CITY, Mo.—
An early morning dumpster fire on Tuesday led investigators to search a Johnson County landfill in the Lisa Irwin case. Friday's search was the second time investigators visited the landfill.

Police said someone reported a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4. The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home.

Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin was reported missing by her parents around 4 a.m. Tuesday.

Investigators examined the trash from the fire two times. On Friday they examined it again. Also on Friday, police returned to the Johnson County Deffenbaugh Industries' landfill for the second time.

After four days of searching, the investigation into baby Lisa's disappearance has taken several twists and turns. On Thursday, police announced in a hastily-called press conference that 10-month-old Lisa's parents stopped cooperating with investigators, a claim the family denies.

On Friday afternoon, Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young said they have not had contact with the parents since Thursday's announcement.

RetiredFBI Agent Jeff Lanza said the parents' definition of cooperation is probably different than police's.

"Police's definition of cooperation is to answer any questions that we post to you even if it focuses on you," Lanza said. "The couple's definition is, 'well, we'll cooperate, but not if it's focused on us."

Late Thursday evening, FOX 4 learned Lisa's parents, Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, made a 'deal' with national news networks and would no longer be talking with local media.

On Friday's Today Show, Deborah said police told her she failed a polygraph test. Bradley adamantly claimed that's impossible because she doesn't know where her daughter is.

Lanza said failing a polygraph test doesn't mean someone is guilty.

"If you've registered some deception, that's an indicator that you're not telling the truth," Lanza said. "However, it doesn't mean you're guilty. It's just an indication that you're deceptive about a particular question or questions on the polygraph exam."

In the four-day search for Lisa, police have scoured the woods near the Irwin home, rappelled down embankments, looked in drainage ditches and on Friday, investigators turned their attention to Deffenbaugh's landfill.

According to the parents, baby Lisa was taken from her crib in her Northland home in the 3600 block of North Lister sometime between the hours of 10:30 p.m. Monday night and 4 a.m. Tuesday morning. The baby's father called police around 4 a.m. Tuesday when he came home from work and discovered her missing.

Lisa is described as white, with blond hair and blue eyes, about 30 inches tall and weighing 26-30 pounds. Her family says that she has two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.

The family says that she was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it

Dayze · 10-07-2011, 01:49 PM

that part about the polygraph is BS (IMO). it doesn't measure 'deception', it registers changes in your body. and the results are basically subject to the interpretation of the 'administrator' of the test.

I would've told them to stick it, if they wanted to perform a polygraph test on me.

again, just my opinion.

Chiefnj2 · 10-07-2011, 01:56 PM

What's the point of calling together a quick press conference to announce the parents aren't "cooperating"??

Dayze · 10-07-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

What's the point of calling together a quick press conference to announce the parents aren't "cooperating"??

I think others have made a good point that it might have been done to start the process of winning the court of public opinion.

ForeverChiefs58 · 10-07-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

that part about the polygraph is BS (IMO). it doesn't measure 'deception', it registers changes in your body. and the results are basically subject to the interpretation of the 'administrator' of the test.

I would've told them to stick it, if they wanted to perform a polygraph test on me.

again, just my opinion.

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You know they usually they will look at the parents no matter what, I would tell them right away, give me a polygraph and rule me out so you can focus on catching the real bad guy.

I think it was Jennifer Klaus? who was murdered years ago, her dad did the same thing and they were able to spend more of their time looking for the guy and got him.

ForeverChiefs58 · 10-07-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

I think others have made a good point that it might have been done to start the process of winning the court of public opinion.

I think it is done so the media can put a camera on them, ask them some tough questions, put more focus on them and see if they will crack. Especially since soon after they quite talking with police, they also announced they won't be talking with anymore media either.

Coogs · 10-07-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

What's the point of calling together a quick press conference to announce the parents aren't "cooperating"??

I think it also coincided with the pulling of the search teams from the area of the home. The police were taking down the yellow tape, and pulling all of the officers out of that area... satisfied that they had searched that entire area enough times that they were not going to find the baby in said area.

I do not know if it was reported in this thread, but apparently yesterday about 150 police officers did a shoulder-to-shoulder search of a wooded area right behind the house, and the parents got into an arguement with the head of the search unit about why that search was necessary.

TheGuardian · 10-07-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I think it also coincided with the pulling of the search teams from the area of the home. The police were taking down the yellow tape, and pulling all of the officers out of that area... satisfied that they had searched that entire area enough times that they were not going to find the baby in said area.

I do not know if it was reported in this thread, but apparently yesterday about 150 police officers did a shoulder-to-shoulder search of a wooded area right behind the house, and the parents got into an arguement with the head of the search unit about why that search was necessary.

Ummmm wut?

Dayze · 10-07-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You know they usually they will look at the parents no matter what, I would tell them right away, give me a polygraph and rule me out so you can focus on catching the real bad guy.

I think it was Jennifer Klaus? who was murdered years ago, her dad did the same thing and they were able to spend more of their time looking for the guy and got him.

Yeah. I can see that side of it too for sure. I guess I'm just too worried that the administrator of the 'exam' would interpret something incorrectly etc, that might lead to a witch hunt / or them spending too much time focusing on me.

I think in MO, polygraphs can't be used as evidence, but they can be used to sort of compliment the investigation/focus the line of questioning etc. I 'think'...not 100%.

I'm probably just paranoid, but for the most part (IMO) talking with police is always a bad idea. even if you're innocent; you never know what can come of it. I'm not saying 'never talk to a cop ever'!...but if one were to be brought in for any sort of "interview"/interrogation (same thing), the less you say the better when you don't have a lawyer; regardless of if you think you're innocent.

Dayze · 10-07-2011, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

I think it is done so the media can put a camera on them, ask them some tough questions, put more focus on them and see if they will crack. Especially since soon after they quite talking with police, they also announced they won't be talking with anymore media either.

good point.

Coogs · 10-07-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Ummmm wut?

I didn't think I stuttered, so...ummmm wut... would you like me to clarify?

ForeverChiefs58 · 10-07-2011, 02:13 PM

I know that reports are coming out about the mother, but the dad just seems to have a "deer in the headlights" look to him, lack of emotion, that strikes me as beyond strange. Maybe they both are involved. A little too wierd also that he hadn't ever worked a bit of overtime until that particular night. Maybe the mom was responsible, but I think he knows something.

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10-07-2011, 01:26 PM	#184
ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $2945326	KANSAS CITY, Mo.— An early morning dumpster fire on Tuesday led investigators to search a Johnson County landfill in the Lisa Irwin case. Friday's search was the second time investigators visited the landfill. Police said someone reported a dumpster fire at an apartment complex at 4897 NE 37th Street at 2:27 a.m. on Tuesday, October 4. The dumpster is less than a half a mile away from the Irwin home. Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin was reported missing by her parents around 4 a.m. Tuesday. Investigators examined the trash from the fire two times. On Friday they examined it again. Also on Friday, police returned to the Johnson County Deffenbaugh Industries' landfill for the second time. After four days of searching, the investigation into baby Lisa's disappearance has taken several twists and turns. On Thursday, police announced in a hastily-called press conference that 10-month-old Lisa's parents stopped cooperating with investigators, a claim the family denies. On Friday afternoon, Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young said they have not had contact with the parents since Thursday's announcement. RetiredFBI Agent Jeff Lanza said the parents' definition of cooperation is probably different than police's. "Police's definition of cooperation is to answer any questions that we post to you even if it focuses on you," Lanza said. "The couple's definition is, 'well, we'll cooperate, but not if it's focused on us." Late Thursday evening, FOX 4 learned Lisa's parents, Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley, made a 'deal' with national news networks and would no longer be talking with local media. On Friday's Today Show, Deborah said police told her she failed a polygraph test. Bradley adamantly claimed that's impossible because she doesn't know where her daughter is. Lanza said failing a polygraph test doesn't mean someone is guilty. "If you've registered some deception, that's an indicator that you're not telling the truth," Lanza said. "However, it doesn't mean you're guilty. It's just an indication that you're deceptive about a particular question or questions on the polygraph exam." In the four-day search for Lisa, police have scoured the woods near the Irwin home, rappelled down embankments, looked in drainage ditches and on Friday, investigators turned their attention to Deffenbaugh's landfill. According to the parents, baby Lisa was taken from her crib in her Northland home in the 3600 block of North Lister sometime between the hours of 10:30 p.m. Monday night and 4 a.m. Tuesday morning. The baby's father called police around 4 a.m. Tuesday when he came home from work and discovered her missing. Lisa is described as white, with blond hair and blue eyes, about 30 inches tall and weighing 26-30 pounds. Her family says that she has two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough. The family says that she was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it
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ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $2945326	I know that reports are coming out about the mother, but the dad just seems to have a "deer in the headlights" look to him, lack of emotion, that strikes me as beyond strange. Maybe they both are involved. A little too wierd also that he hadn't ever worked a bit of overtime until that particular night. Maybe the mom was responsible, but I think he knows something.
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