What is so special about Clausen?

[Mr. Laz]

ok ... so alot of us are looking at Clausen. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Clausen but imo should we be looking at a special guy.

let's face it, the drafturbators just want a big named QB and they don't really give a shit whether the guy is really any good. They have lost their dam minds.

But ... what about the rest of us with a little bit of rationality left in our heads.

Is there anything Elite about Jimmy Clausen? Is he really worth the #5 pick?

Bradford - Elite Accuracy, superior football I.Q., NFL Size
Tebow - elite character, great athletic skills,great motivation
Clausen - ??
McCoy - ??


so let's hear it ... what is ELITE about Jimmy Clausen?

[CaliforniaChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

Yes I do, but don't mistake this as an endorsenment of Clausen as our pick at 5, because as I've said many times, I'm not sold on him.

I do remember reading some posts of yours indicating reservations about Clausen. I believe you had said that while you aren't sold on him, the Chiefs drafting him would excite you solely for the purpose that Pioli was admitting a mistake in Cassel, right? Either way, I honestly don't know enough about projecting QB's to know, so I'd be curious what the reservations are.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by penchief

Statistically you may be right. But when you watch the manner in which they both get it done there is a noticable difference. I'm not taking anything away from Clausen because he apparently got the job done in college. But Bradford displays all the things you want in a franchise quarterback. All of them. Inculding poise, intelligence, and leadership.

At this point in time I'm just not sold on Clausen being worth the fifth overall pick, even as a quarterback. I'm sure he'll give it a good go but I'm not sold that he's a franchise quarterback. IMHO, Bradford fits that bill way before Clausen does.

Except for reading NFL defenses, playing behind center and showing any semblance of sturdiness.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Laz

ok ... so alot of us are looking at Clausen. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Clausen but imo should we be looking at a special guy.

let's face it, the drafturbators just want a big named QB and they don't really give a shit whether the guy is really any good. They have lost their dam minds.

But ... what about the rest of us with a little bit of rationality left in our heads.

Is there anything Elite about Jimmy Clausen? Is he really worth the #5 pick?

Bradford - Elite Accuracy, superior football I.Q., NFL Size
Tebow - elite character, great athletic skills,great motivation
Clausen - ??
McCoy - ??


so let's hear it ... what is ELITE about Jimmy Clausen?

Whats the difference between the Draftubators and the Menstraters?

Anyone?

[penchief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Really?

You like him as a prospect. Fine. But let's not be intellectually dishonest with all of the hyperbole.

What hyperbole? What dishonesty? Damn, talk about dishonesty. Just tell me where I"m wrong instead of attacking my character. Jesus, some of you people are really full of yourselves.

When measuring the attributes of a prototypical quarterback, Bradford has everything you look for. If you want to knock him because he's been injured that's fair when evaluating whether he's an injury risk but it's a moot point to knock him for playing in a spread offense. As I said, proving one's self in a pro-style offense while playing in college is no more a guarantee of success in the NFL. Just ask Brady Quinn. They're all prospects at this point. All any of us are doing is projecting future success.

Bradford has the accuracy, the arm strength, and size. He's a proven leader and very intelligent. And I really like his poise. Plus, he's a character guy.

All that said, he makes it look effortless. To me, that means something. A quarterback that makes it look easy is probably going to be able to get it done in the pros.

And that is my biggest concern with Clausen. He looks like he's really got to wind up and throw his whole body into it when he throws it downfield. To me, that has the potential to get messy when things get hectic in the pocket. Which may be one reason that Clausen tends to leave the pocket prematurely and roll out to the right. Something else that concerns me.

I'm sorry. I just don't think we should draft a quarterback just for the sake of drafting a quarterback. Especially if it's going to be a reach. If we do draft him I hope like hell my observations are wrong. But at this point I just don't get all the Clausen love because I don't see where it's coming from.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Laz

ok ... so alot of us are looking at Clausen. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Clausen but imo should we be looking at a special guy.

So you're claiming that there is absolutely nothing special about Clausen?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by penchief

What hyperbole? What dishonesty? Damn, talk about dishonesty. Just tell me where I"m wrong instead of attacking my character. Jesus, some of you people are really full of yourselves.

When measuring the attributes of a prototypical quarterback, Bradford has everything you look for. If you want to knock him because he's been injured that's fair when evaluating whether he's an injury risk but it's a moot point to knock him for playing in a spread offense. As I said, proving one's self in a pro-style offense while playing in college is no more a guarantee of success in the NFL. Just ask Brady Quinn. They're all prospects at this point. All any of us are doing is projecting future success.

Bradford has the accuracy, the arm strength, and size. He's a proven leader and very intelligent. And I really like his poise. Plus, he's a character guy.

All that said, he makes it look effortless. To me, that means something. A quarterback that makes it look easy is probably going to be able to get it done in the pros.

And that is my biggest concern with Clausen. He looks like he's really got to wind up and throw his whole body into it when he throws it downfield. To me, that has the potential to get messy when things get hectic in the pocket. Which may be one reason that Clausen tends to leave the pocket prematurely and roll out to the right. Something else that concerns me.

I'm sorry. I just don't think we should draft a quarterback just for the sake of drafting a quarterback. Especially if it's going to be a reach. If we do draft him I hope like hell my observations are wrong. But at this point I just don't get all the Clausen love because I don't see where it's coming from.

Comparing Quinn to Clausen is just as ridiculous (or not more) as people who say "Well, Trent Green had a bad first year, so I'm giving Cassel another year!".



I have a feeling you have barely watched Clausen and know next to nothing about him on and off the field.

[Hammock Parties]

Everyone was concerned about Quinn's accuracy coming out. Exact opposite with Clausen.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Except for reading NFL defenses, playing behind center and showing any semblance of sturdiness.

Reading defenses is learned. So is playing under center (which by the way, most scouts and GMs have been satisfied with his footwork in this regard when working him out). A quarterback's acumen is the attribute they'll measure because it is his acumen that will allow him to absorb the knowledge he needs to do those things. And he has been rated high in that regard.

I'm guessing that Bradford has had some experience playing under center. I doubt he's never done it before. I mean, it is a fair criticism but it's not something that should be an obstacle if he has all the right attributes. And based on most accounts, he does possess all the right attributes.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by penchief

And that is my biggest concern with Clausen. He looks like he's really got to wind up and throw his whole body into it when he throws it downfield. To me, that has the potential to get messy when things get hectic in the pocket. Which may be one reason that Clausen tends to leave the pocket prematurely and roll out to the right. Something else that concerns me.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft1...ory?id=5064085

[DaneMcCloud]

Maybe by 2083, when I'm long gone, the Chiefs and their fans will be ready to take a QB in the first round.

Maybe.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by penchief

Reading defenses is learned. So is playing under center (which by the way, most scouts and GMs have been satisfied with his footwork in this regard when working him out). A quarterback's acumen is the attribute they'll measure because it is his acumen that will allow him to absorb the knowledge he needs to do those things. And he has been rated high in that regard.

I'm guessing that Bradford has had some experience playing under center. I doubt he's never done it before. I mean, it is a fair criticism but it's not something that should be an obstacle if he has all the right attributes. And based on most accounts, he does possess all the right attributes.

This is the same line of thinking that was exhibited towards Aaron Curry last year.

"Well, just because he wasn't asked to rush the passer doesn't mean he can't".

That worked out well.

[Archie Bunker]

I saw in Gosselin's second mock he said not to rule us out on Clausen. I'd post the mock but I'm stuck on my phone.
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[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by penchief

What hyperbole? What dishonesty? Damn, talk about dishonesty. Just tell me where I"m wrong instead of attacking my character. Jesus, some of you people are really full of yourselves.

Attacked your character? What are you talking about?

[penchief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Comparing Quinn to Clausen is just as ridiculous (or not more) as people who say "Well, Trent Green had a bad first year, so I'm giving Cassel another year!".



I have a feeling you have barely watched Clausen and know next to nothing about him on and off the field.

I think Quinn's lack of accuracy is a fair point when comparing him to Clausen. However, it doesn't necessarily bolster the argument that playing in Charlie Weis's pro-style offense guarantees success anymore than playing in a spread offense guarantees failure.

After watching the two highlight videos someone posted on here a while back I initially raised concerns about his throwing motion and his leaving the pocket prematurely to roll out to the right. As the Clausen debate raged on I decided to check out a couple more highlight videos on the internet and saw basically the same thing.

Anyone who wants to pull those two highlight videos up and watch them will see what I saw. That doesn't mean that he won't be a successful quarterback in the NFL but I think those concerns are both legitimate questions based on observation.

Maybe you can view those videos and show me the error of my ways or ease my mind. If not, you can have all the "feeling" you want but unless you are willing to address those concerns directly you probably shouldn't be making implications, IMHO.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by penchief

I think Quinn's lack of accuracy is a fair point when comparing him to Clausen. However, it doesn't necessarily bolster the argument that playing in Charlie Weis's pro-style offense guarantees success anymore than playing in a spread offense guarantees failure.

After watching the two highlight videos someone posted on here a while back I initially raised concerns about his throwing motion and his leaving the pocket prematurely to roll out to the right. As the Clausen debate raged on I decided to check out a couple more highlight videos on the internet and saw basically the same thing.

Anyone who wants to pull those two highlight videos up and watch them will see what I saw. That doesn't mean that he won't be a successful quarterback in the NFL but I think those concerns are both legitimate questions based on my observation.

Maybe you can view those videos and show me the error of my ways or ease my mind. If not, you can have all the "feeling" you want but unless you are willing to address those concerns directly you probably shouldn't be making implications, IMHO.

Dude, please.

You can't judge a player's three year career by two YouTube videos.

Please, please, please tell me that this is not why and where your opinion has been formed.

Please.