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Old 11-23-2004, 11:36 AM  
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The Pussification of the Chiefs...

Vermeil's job is done. He's finally removed all semblance of sack from this team.

I just got done watching Gonzo on ESPN, bitching about contact that wasn't called. Of course it's the refs fault, exactly like DV taught you. I was sick of watching Vermeil pass blame 8 weeks ago, now I have to watch our players do it too. At what point does this team stop passing the buck and start taking responsibility? When will Vermeil stop bitching about the roster limits, that the rest of the NFL's coaches have learned to live with? When will he call out a player for a stupid personal foul, instead of justifying it by saying you get away with it half the time? When will the guys that aren't getting the job done get benched instead of hugged? When do we lose a game because we under-performed, instead of the other team outplaying us? When is anyone accountable for failure in the Chiefs organization? The only guys that get blasted are the kicker, the punter, and a guy that's never been given a real chance to prove himself and silence his critics.

This team has no attitude and IMO it's direct reflection of our eunuch head coach. Our D doesn't know how to hit, but they know how to get slapped around and made fools of. Our O won't fight for a reception, but will beg for a flag on every incompletion. They look like a bunch pussies right now, and instead of getting mad, they're rolling over.

Just once I'd like to see some Parcells type disgust directed at a poor performance, instead of a tear, a hug, and a pat on the ass.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:02 PM   #16
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I agree that penalties are a huge factor. Unfortunately, all I ever hear from Vermeil about penalties is how we got jobbed by bad officiating.

Trent Green is on ESPN saying "We get a letter from the league every week saying 'sorry, we got that one wrong'". Okay. If you've figured out that they get calls wrong "every week", why don't you learn to accept it as part of the game and stop using it as a crutch to excuse a season that's swirling the drain. Control the ones you can control, get over the ones you can't.

It's just this whole mindset of making excuses and passing the buck.
A crutch? Im not seeing it...Im a firm believer that no team can beat the NFL referees no matter how hard they try to overcome it.

What the team can control is the turnovers...I wasnt too enamored with the whining about the no call against TG, the pass was a friggen bad pass. TG forced the ball.

BUT, when they're getting flagged for ticky tack calls and not getting the same in return, it's frustrating, and from what I can see, it has totally distracted the focus of this team to the point that the season has spiraled out of control.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:02 PM   #17
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this is the precise reason you are on track for 3rd SB in 4 years.
Yeah, but hell, three fourths of the lockers would be empty if the Chiefs did this....
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:04 PM   #18
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I was saying that as more of a "jab to the ribs".
Well, it tickled, because I laughed and wished I would have thought of that.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:04 PM   #19
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I like DV, but I'll give a few examples of what the Patriots do:

1. A few weeks ago, a special teams specialist player on the Patriots badly whiffed on a tackle on a kickoff return (although he was in good position to make the tackle), and the dude ran it in for a touchdown. We ended up winning the game. On Wednesday after the game, the dude was cut and another player, who has been a ST specialist for us in prior years, and was cut at the end of training camp, was brought back.

2. Last week, our backup running back, who mainly does special teams, whiffed on a tackle (although he was in good position) on a punt return that went for a TD. We won that game 29-6. A couple days ago, that player was cut and another player, Justin Kurpeikis, who mainly does special teams and was cut by us at the end of training camp, was brought in.

3. Earthwind Moreland, a practice squad player who was forced into the starting lineup due to multiple injuries to our CBs, was burnt by you guys for two TDs (the only TDs we allowed). According to today's Boston Herald, even though nobody has any idea who will be manning one CB spot this upcoming Sunday:

"The sticker bearing Moreland's name and number above his locker was ripped off by the time the media entered the room. It was the only sticker removed."

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/pat...rticleid=55402

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Daaaaamn!! Billy boy don't play games does he...

...say, maybe we should pick up some of the guys y'all cut...DV'll make em feel good about themselves, guaranteed...
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:05 PM   #20
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this is the precise reason you are on track for 3rd SB in 4 years.
Possible, but I'm going to stick with finding Tom Brady as the reason.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:06 PM   #21
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What the team can control is the turnovers...I wasnt too enamored with the whining about the no call against TG, the pass was a friggen bad pass. TG forced the ball.

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Thank you. Geeze..the bitching about that "No Call" is ridiculous.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:08 PM   #22
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Sounds like the Pats have the right idea. Put the fear of God in a player, that know position is secure.

Total pay for performance is the next step.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:10 PM   #23
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The pussification started, when the Tacklin drills stopped.


the only hugs that should be seen near Arrowhead(asside from fans) is the displaced flubber shaping itself around the new Steal Toed Doc Martins the Coach is kicking them with.......
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:10 PM   #24
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...Total pay for performance is the next step.
That's a great idea...if this were in practice today, Lamar would be pocketing about 30M from the cap I would guess.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:17 PM   #25
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...Im a firm believer that no team can beat the NFL referees no matter how hard they try to overcome it.
Which is all the more reason to not blast them in the media every week. Making enemies of the refs can't help.

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...What the team can control is the turnovers...I wasnt too enamored with the whining about the no call against TG, the pass was a friggen bad pass. TG forced the ball.
Yea, I can watch Dillon own up to his mistake, and Green blame the refs instead of his underthrown pass into double coverage, all in the same segment. It's like a diorama of the difference in mindest between winners and losers.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:20 PM   #26
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Which is all the more reason to not blast them in the media every week. Making enemies of the refs can't help.
No, it only exacerbates the problem...it's what I believe to be a major symptom of the current club's problem. I think they've lost focus, totally, at this point.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:22 PM   #27
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Vermeil's job is done. He's finally removed all semblance of sack from this team.

I just got done watching Gonzo on ESPN, bitching about contact that wasn't called. Of course it's the refs fault, exactly like DV taught you. I was sick of watching Vermeil pass blame 8 weeks ago, now I have to watch our players do it too. At what point does this team stop passing the buck and start taking responsibility? When will Vermeil stop bitching about the roster limits, that the rest of the NFL's coaches have learned to live with? When will he call out a player for a stupid personal foul, instead of justifying it by saying you get away with it half the time? When will the guys that aren't getting the job done get benched instead of hugged? When do we lose a game because we under-performed, instead of the other team outplaying us? When is anyone accountable for failure in the Chiefs organization? The only guys that get blasted are the kicker, the punter, and a guy that's never been given a real chance to prove himself and silence his critics.

This team has no attitude and IMO it's direct reflection of our eunuch head coach. Our D doesn't know how to hit, but they know how to get slapped around and made fools of. Our O won't fight for a reception, but will beg for a flag on every incompletion. They look like a bunch pussies right now, and instead of getting mad, they're rolling over.

Just once I'd like to see some Parcells type disgust directed at a poor performance, instead of a tear, a hug, and a pat on the ass.
Hey, Parcells is 3-7 too.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:23 PM   #28
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Yeah, but hell, three fourths of the lockers would be empty if the Chiefs did this....
yeah if they did this all at once... players on Chiefs are too complacent... if they were held accountable... then only a few would get cut and the rest would have got their shit together.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:24 PM   #29
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Vermeil's job is done. He's finally removed all semblance of sack from this team.

I just got done watching Gonzo on ESPN, bitching about contact that wasn't called. Of course it's the refs fault, exactly like DV taught you. I was sick of watching Vermeil pass blame 8 weeks ago, now I have to watch our players do it too. At what point does this team stop passing the buck and start taking responsibility? When will Vermeil stop bitching about the roster limits, that the rest of the NFL's coaches have learned to live with? When will he call out a player for a stupid personal foul, instead of justifying it by saying you get away with it half the time? When will the guys that aren't getting the job done get benched instead of hugged? When do we lose a game because we under-performed, instead of the other team outplaying us? When is anyone accountable for failure in the Chiefs organization? The only guys that get blasted are the kicker, the punter, and a guy that's never been given a real chance to prove himself and silence his critics.

This team has no attitude and IMO it's direct reflection of our eunuch head coach. Our D doesn't know how to hit, but they know how to get slapped around and made fools of. Our O won't fight for a reception, but will beg for a flag on every incompletion. They look like a bunch pussies right now, and instead of getting mad, they're rolling over.

Just once I'd like to see some Parcells type disgust directed at a poor performance, instead of a tear, a hug, and a pat on the ass.

Great post jsp.

There is absolutely no accountability within the Chiefs organization except for the punter and the kicker. DV doesn't mind calling out those guys but won't call out or punish or bench any of his other players. The players aren't scared to lose their jobs and are very complacent and they play that way.
I find it funny that the Patriots cut Earthwind Moreland after giving 2 TD's yet we can't bench 1 single starter on the worst defense in the league. Pathetic.
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For a team playing like their season/respectability is on the line I didn't see a lot of passion. They didn't roll over or quit but in the NFL if you want to be successfull you have to get in peoples grills and get game on. Mano Mano. Aint no room for pussy's in the NFL. And the Chiefs look baby powder soft.
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