Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 558

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**RockChalk** · 07-31-2013, 01:34 PM

For Kyle Smith?....

I'm not as into the minors as Duncan or some of you other guys, but that doesn't seem like a good deal for us

penbrook · 07-31-2013, 01:34 PM

Kyle Smith was a fourth round pick in 2011. He is pitching 2.85 in A ball

silver5liter · 07-31-2013, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook

Per Bob Dutton we gave up minor league pitcher Kyle Smith.

Don't really like this. guy is in single a but still has great era numbers

tyton75 · 07-31-2013, 01:36 PM

Well.. I still don't HATE the deal, but I like it a lot less considering Kyle Smith had a lot of promise. But trading a guy in A ball for a guy that can help the Major League Team now.. I'm ok with.

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 01:36 PM

Well, that..... is certainly going all-in for 2014.

**ChiTown** · 07-31-2013, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk

For Kyle Smith?....

I'm not as into the minors as Duncan or some of you other guys, but that doesn't seem like a good deal for us

Yikes. That's awful. Kyle Smith has some game.

Cephalic Trauma · 07-31-2013, 01:37 PM

Go home, Dayton. You're drunk.

**Predarat** · 07-31-2013, 01:37 PM

Total Nashville Predators type move on the trade deadline.

duncan_idaho · 07-31-2013, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk

For Kyle Smith?....

I'm not as into the minors as Duncan or some of you other guys, but that doesn't seem like a good deal for us

Smith has some value. He's physically maxed out (small and polished) but could be an effective end-of-rotation starter. Has put up good numbers at every level of his career and was - predictably - having a nice year in Wilmington.

I don't mind moving Smith to improve the major league roster, but they gave him up for much less than what he was worth.

Jesus. Smith has more long-term value right now than the main pieces in the deal that acquired Ian Kennedy. He's a GREAT second or third piece that is usually a key part of completing a bigger deal.

tk13 · 07-31-2013, 01:41 PM

Well I was dreading a Zimmer for Kendrick type move, so this isn't so bad relatively speaking.
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**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 01:41 PM

You have to keep in mind that our A+ team is in a pitcher's park, and in a pitcher-friendly league. So high-2 ERA isn't as phenomenal as it may look, but still. Even though the failure rate for that type of pitching prospect is pretty high, it seems like an awfully steep price to pay for the right-handed half of an outfield platoon.

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 01:43 PM

So, did someone whack Cain's knee with a crowbar last night or something?

**alnorth** · 07-31-2013, 01:48 PM

Lets call the defense a wash. For 2013, we may have gained about +.150 OPS for maybe about 80-100 AB. To the nearest tenth, how many wins is that worth?

Mr. Laz · 07-31-2013, 01:51 PM

i don't want a young guy Dlough to platoon

penbrook · 07-31-2013, 01:52 PM

Justin Maxwell says he was surprised by trade but eager to get to Royals. Said he needs blue spikes.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1770308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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07-31-2013, 01:41 PM	#8366
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57176239	You have to keep in mind that our A+ team is in a pitcher's park, and in a pitcher-friendly league. So high-2 ERA isn't as phenomenal as it may look, but still. Even though the failure rate for that type of pitching prospect is pretty high, it seems like an awfully steep price to pay for the right-handed half of an outfield platoon. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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07-31-2013, 01:43 PM	#8367
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57176239	So, did someone whack Cain's knee with a crowbar last night or something? __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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07-31-2013, 01:48 PM	#8368
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57176239	Lets call the defense a wash. For 2013, we may have gained about +.150 OPS for maybe about 80-100 AB. To the nearest tenth, how many wins is that worth? __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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