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Old 02-27-2013, 12:45 PM  
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:41 PM   #9001
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By throwing shitty passes.

Good enough explination for you?

Shit there was one Sunday night that was so high and behind Bowe, it literally looked like Cassel threw it. In fact, it looked almost EXACTLY like a pass Cassel threw in New Orleans last year that got Bowe almost killed.
So you're saying that all but 4 of the passes were shitty?

Edit: and yes, I noticed the sp on my part. Nice rub.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:42 PM   #9002
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So you're saying that all but 4 of the passes were shitty?
I saw at least three passes towards Bowe Sunday night that were awful.

Bowe was "targeted," yes. But they were pretty uncatchable balls.

Alex makes his WRs worse, deal with it.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:43 PM   #9003
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So you're saying that all but 4 of the passes were shitty?

Edit: and yes, I noticed the sp on my part. Nice rub.
I hope not. I can think of 4 catach-able balls that were dropped...
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:44 PM   #9004
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I saw at least three passes towards Bowe Sunday night that were awful.

Bowe was "targeted," yes. But they were pretty uncatchable balls.

Alex makes his WRs worse, deal with it.
3 were awful and the rest were uncatchable? okay..gotcha.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:45 PM   #9005
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I hope not. I can think of 4 catach-able balls that were dropped...
and a few that he could have fought for...I thought that is what Bowe is supposed to be good at?
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3 were awful and the rest were uncatchable? okay..gotcha.
I have no idea. I'm sure some were catchable.

Alex is not the most accurate guy beyond 10 yards though. It is a problem.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:45 PM   #9007
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Alex smith has had dozens and dozens of WRs play for him over the years. Please name 3 WRs that have had multiple seasons better than their best season with Alex within a couple of years of no longer playing with him.

Edit: now that I think about it, I would be surprised to see you find one.
Top of my head: Brandon Lloyd, Randy Moss, Bowe, Crabtree

I'm sure there are plenty more WRs he's held back though
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It's pretty obvious why Bowe is on pace for by far his worst season ever... I don't recall Bowe ever dropping a pass prior to this season.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:46 PM   #9009
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Are you saying other QB's have records just as bad in that scenario?
I'm saying there are a ton of reasons to be unhappy with Alex Smith as your starting QB, but arbitrary statistical benchmarks are for people with no qualitative reasoning.

Why not 23 points? (because his record improves?) Why not 26? (because other QB comparative records are diminished?) It's just a ****ing number picked out of a hat to prove a point.

I don't like evidence that is created to support a hypothesis.

Additionally, you have to throw out any game where Alex Smith's team ALSO scored more than 24 points, but still lost the game. You also have to factor in any game where Alex Smith scored more than 24 points, but the opponent did not.

You would ALSO have to do that for every other starting QB in the league and then you can compare the statistics, except even then it is misleading at best. How were those points scored?

It's a horrible, horrible statistic that means nothing, and the fact that it is in his signature in such large letters, as if loud proclamation, says so much about the man posting it.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:47 PM   #9010
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I hope not. I can think of 4 catach-able balls that were dropped...
I've always thought that one of the problems with the drop discussion is that everybody wants to make it a mutually-exclusive "A or B" kind of thing. Whereas I think a pass can be (and often is) both poorly thrown and dropped.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:47 PM   #9011
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Top of my head: Brandon Lloyd, Randy Moss, Bowe, Crabtree

I'm sure there are plenty more WRs he's held back though
After they left...

Brandon Lloyd sucked for another 4 years and then had a couple of good seasons.

Moss retired the following year..couldn't get a job he wanted.

Crabtree has half a season without Alex...I think a little time is required for that one.

Bowe hasn't gone on to play for someone else...but I will say early in the season he was barely targeted...he's now the leading target the last few games.
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No one cares about other QBs, dude. Give it up.

Just look at the throws Alice makes. Some of them are truly god awful.
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:56 PM   #9014
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No one cares about other QBs, dude. Give it up.

Just look at the throws Alice makes. Some of them are truly god awful.
You seem to care about other QBs. Geno Smith. That name ring a bell?
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Why not 23 points? (because his record improves?) Why not 26? (because other QB comparative records are diminished?) It's just a ****ing number picked out of a hat to prove a point.
24 points is a pretty good cutoff point between pedestrian offenses and elite ones, wouldn't you say?

The main reason I use the statistic is because it was initially created for Mr. Cassel, and did a great job of showing what a ponce he was.

I am now applying the same standards for Mr. Smith, and what do you know...the same bell is ringing.

I am sure you could lower it to 20 points and Alex's record would be shitty compared to more well equipped QBs, too.
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