Chiefs I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow - Page 10

RedThat · 12-19-2010, 03:44 PM

The kid deserves some respect.

After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership.

To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada

Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it.

I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too.

However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work

you sure as heck got my support.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

It's not today, it is the season.

Great numbers, no doubt.

But you know exactly what people are waiting for.

Micjones · 12-19-2010, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Brady's defense in 2001 gave up 13 points, 17 points, and 17 points. And that Super Bowl 17 points was against arguably the best offense of the decade led by Kurt Warner.

And as far talent comparisons, it's not that far off. The Pats had a reliable receiver in Troy Brown (the Chiefs have a wildly inconsistent receiver in Bowe), a reliable Running Back in Antowain Smith (advantage Chiefs here), and a terrific offensive line behind Matt Light, Damien Woody, and Joe Andruzzi. There is a negligible difference between the two offenses.

As for the Pats' offense, they held Gannon to less than 200 yards and Garner to less than 75 yards against Oakland, forced 3 INTs against Kordell in the AFC Championship game, and held an offensive powerhouse in St. Louis to 17 points (including 2 INTs). Do you see the Chiefs' defense as being even close to good enough to help the team out in that way?

It's a complete apples-to-oranges comparison. The Pats' defense in the 2001 season was absolutely dominant.

You're not helping.

**RealSNR** · 12-19-2010, 04:52 PM

I don't want another Gannon/Grbac/Green. I want a guy who's tough, wins games, and puts us in the playoffs year after year.

Cassel's improved by leaps and bounds, but he's in the show-me state.

A playoff win this January will change my opinion of him. I've said that since July. I just doubted his chances. I think he's got a good shot of doing that.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Stop.

Who expects Cassel to take this team deep into the playoffs?

I just posted the other day that I won't be that upset if they were to make it and lose in the first round, because the experience itself is invaluable.

But you guys can't have it both ways.

There are posts asking why we people think we can't win in the playoffs, then posts like yours that imply we're an inferior team.

What you are saying here is a complete 180 from what you're saying in the rest of the thread.

You're suggesting that Brady overcame a lacking in talent to win the Super Bowl. He didn't. The Pats were a complete team who got great play from their QB--but ask Brady to do the same in 2001 with the Chiefs' defense, and you're talking about a totally different scenario.

Given Cassel's supporting cast, he shouldn't be expected to win. I don't think it's outrageous to believe the Chiefs can pull off a playoff win. It's going to require mistake-free football, our defense playing well, and Cassel playing well all at the same time. But our squad isn't good enough to do that consistently and they are going to have to not just play good enough, but perfect.

milkman · 12-19-2010, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

I don't want another Gannon/Grbac/Green. I want a guy who's tough, wins games, and puts us in the playoffs year after year.

Cassel's improved by leaps and bounds, but he's in the show-me state.

A playoff win this January will change my opinion of him. I've said that since July. I just doubted his chances. I think he's got a good shot of doing that.

I don't think that the Chiefs can win a playoff game this year, and it won't be because Cassel isn't good enough.

Marcellus · 12-19-2010, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Great numbers, no doubt.

But you know exactly what people are waiting for.

A PO win, but if it doesn't happen this year then it's not a failure.

Cassel isn't Bono but people want to make him out be.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

It goes both ways. Nobody thought Cassel would lead this team to the playoffs.

It could be argue that the running game has lead this team to this point.

On a related note, as I sit here and watch Pittsburgh gash the Jets on the ground, I hope we draw the Jets should we make the playoffs.

That defense is getting worse by the week.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-19-2010, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

A playoff win this January will change my opinion of him. I've said that since July.

In July no one realistically thought we could make the playoffs. That just goes to show everyone how unreasonable this kind of attitude is. We STILL might not make the playoffs if we lose one of the next two games...Does that suddenly nullify everything Cassel has accomplished this season? Your expectations of winning a playoff game are ridiculous now and were even more crazy back in July.....Why not just take it for what it is...A Huge HUGE improvement over the last few seasons and a big step in the right direction.....Something we have not been able to say as a team in a long ass time.

**DeezNutz** · 12-19-2010, 04:56 PM

I was impressed with Cassel today because I wasn't expecting much, this soon post-surgery. In fact, I was actually thinking that I would have to make a post or two defending the guy, since criticism wouldn't be fair, IMO.

That said, he showed tremendous heart--Weis you mother****er calling a QB boot--and poise, stepping up in the pocket and generally being an anti-Huard in the face of pressure.

The biggest positive, however, seems to be how he's been rebounding from asinine plays. Take the ridiculous overthrow to Battle (I believe). This throw couldn't have been worse. I believe the Cassel of '09 and early '10 would have let this **** up affect him for several plays later.

Not the current Cassel, though. Like good NFL QBs, the last several weeks he's been able to **** up, shrug it off, and move on. Everyone ****s up in this league. The difference between shit, good, and great is how you respond to these moments of failure.

Props to Cassel.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

I don't want another Gannon/Grbac/Green. I want a guy who's tough, wins games, and puts us in the playoffs year after year.

Cassel's improved by leaps and bounds, but he's in the show-me state.

A playoff win this January will change my opinion of him. I've said that since July. I just doubted his chances. I think he's got a good shot of doing that.

You're asking a QB to carry a team that is likely going to be outmatched in every phase of the game and is probably young and make mistakes.

Asking for a playoff win should not be a measuring stick for Cassel. I want to see him perform well in the playoffs and to not make stupid mistakes. And I don't want the Chiefs to lose as a result of Cassel not making plays he's supposed to make. That I agree with. But asking him to likely carry a substandard team to victory regardless of how well the supporting cast plays is a whole other issue entirely.

|Zach| · 12-19-2010, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're asking a QB to carry a team that is likely going to be outmatched in every phase of the game and is probably young and make mistakes.

What?

Come. on.

**mlyonsd** · 12-19-2010, 04:58 PM

I gave Cassel the benefit of the doubt last year but admit I was starting to turn on him early this year.

He's tough. He's got that want to win attitude even though he might not have the physical skills of some other QB's.

I'm really happy he's our QB right now.

**Baby Lee** · 12-19-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

**** all of that shit....Whoever says any of that stuff is going to extremes to either get a reaction or is just a moron.

The vast majority of people on CP (at least who actually made posts) were HIGHLY negative about Cassel and didn't think he would do shit this season.

They were wrong, period. No need to go any further than that...They were horribly horribly wrong about Cassel...

They can TRY to move the goal posts all they want to, because it makes them feel better....But deep down they know they didn't give him enough of a chance before they gave up on the kid. **** them...He is improving and has a ways to go, he proved he isn't garbage, he proved he is a pretty good QB, now lets see what else he can prove.

Hey Browneyes, you're fighting a strawman utterly of your own invention.

Plenty of people, myself EXPRESSLY, were of the mindset 'I pray daily that the lights come on, but I increasingly fear they won't.' And sure there were a number who were vocal at every instance that reinforced those fears, but that's just passionate fans watching the evidence mount. And the number to 'WANT' him to fail just to be right are miniscule, perhaps isolated to Mecca, certainly not the 'overwhelming majority

For me, the question of Cassel is like the question of whether Adam Sandler is a great, as in Oscar worthy, actor. Sure there's Punch Drunk Love and the like, but the question remains can someone who's given us Little Nicky and Grown Ups mature and give us solid fare for an extended period? Only time will tell.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-19-2010, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Hey Browneyes, you're fighting a strawman utterly of your own invention.

Oh really so you are saying the vast majority of people on CP who made posts in APril were saying that he would be a solid QB and have a great season and lead us to the playoffs? How about even POSITIVE like saying good things about him?..?

LOL...

Are you an idiot?

Edit: How about MAy, June...July? August? September?

You must be reading different posts than me because I don't recall hardly ANYONE making positive statements about the guy, or defending him..or saying 'hey lets give the kid a chance'

Marcellus · 12-19-2010, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It could be argue that the running game has lead this team to this point.

On a related note, as I sit here and watch Pittsburgh gash the Jets on the ground, I hope we draw the Jets should we make the playoffs.

That defense is getting worse by the week.

The Jets are a collapse waiting to happen. LT is done, the defense is cracking and the QB is a liability.

12-19-2010, 03:44 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow The kid deserves some respect. After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership. To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it. I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too. However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work you sure as heck got my support.
Posts: 6,666

12-19-2010, 04:58 PM	#147
mlyonsd Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Spink, SD Casino cash: $1693762	I gave Cassel the benefit of the doubt last year but admit I was starting to turn on him early this year. He's tough. He's got that want to win attitude even though he might not have the physical skills of some other QB's. I'm really happy he's our QB right now.
Posts: 38,858