Chiefs Props to CP!!! We essentially got 2 1st rounders for JA! - Page 4

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-23-2008, 05:37 AM

We received the Vikings 1st round pick #17 overall and BOTH of their 3rd round picks (#73 and #82).

Now, follow along here:

If you take the draft value chart, the combined value of the two 3rd round picks is 405 pts which is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round this year.

Now, a 1st round pick NEXT YEAR (2009) is equivalent to a 2nd round pick THIS YEAR (2008), meaning the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Strictly from a draft value chart standard, we received the #17 overall pick in 2008 and the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Just giving credit where credit is due, and we are in great position now (if our draft board is setup correctly - a big if) to get SEVEN (7) of the top 100 players in the draft.

Chief Henry · 04-23-2008, 09:51 AM

We have all these wonderful draft picks with numnuts picking them. I'm not sold on this
deal at all---yet.

Chiefnj2 · 04-23-2008, 10:02 AM

It seems like the people that support the move are the armchair draft day guys. It gives them 3 more days to play GM and generate new and different mock drafts.

Chief Wiggum · 04-23-2008, 10:10 AM

This doesn't make any sense to me. Take away the fact the two thirds could arguably be considered a first round pick next year - the value of the trade still sucks. My point being, there are arguably 4 cornerstone positions on each team: QB, LT, CB, and DE. The only cornerstone we had locked up we just traded away on the hope that we can fill the spot with a couple of people. Why do I see a Simms & Siavii type failure here. We lucked out on JA because we picked him to be a long snapper - not because we saw him becoming a franchise DE.

I understand the guy had two DUIs, but in my mind there's less risk in him getting a third then us flopping on a high-end DL pick. JA wasn't pissed at the Chiefs, he was pissed at CP - just like all of freakin' Chiefs Nation. Don't tell me we couldn't have patched the relationship up if we got rid of Carl after the season. Instead, we keep the guy who keeps people out of the stands, and get rid of the guy who fills them.

I'm pissed...

**DaKCMan AP** · 04-23-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Wiggum

I understand the guy had two DUIs, but in my mind there's less risk in him getting a third then us flopping on a high-end DL pick. JA wasn't pissed at the Chiefs, he was pissed at CP - just like all of freakin' Chiefs Nation. Don't tell me we couldn't have patched the relationship up if we got rid of Carl after the season. Instead, we keep the guy who keeps people out of the stands, and get rid of the guy who fills them.

I'm pissed...

JA's had 4 DUI's.

Chief Wiggum · 04-23-2008, 10:13 AM

Yeah, but only two pose a risk to the Chiefs.

Molitoth · 04-23-2008, 10:14 AM

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Don't tell me we couldn't have patched the relationship up if we got rid of Carl after the season.

Like that was going to happen... you really think Carl is going somewhere?

Tiger's Fan · 04-23-2008, 10:16 AM

An already questionable defense just got a hell of a lot worse. Chances are not one of our now 13 picks will be as talented as JA is. Theres no other way to look at this than being a failure on CP's and the FO's part.

beach tribe · 04-23-2008, 10:16 AM

"Get over it"

I will be pissed about this until one of these picks is a probowler, and at least one other is a solid starter.

I have very little faith that that will happen, but I've never been devoid of hope, although it's getting close.

If we bomb this draft.................oh my god.

Brock · 04-23-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Theres no other way to look at this than being a failure on CP's and the FO's part.

Obviously, there are several other ways to look at it. Clearly.

**PHOG** · 04-23-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Wiggum

Yeah, but only two pose a risk to the Chiefs.

Out of curiosity, what is a 3rd DUI in Missouri worth?

milkman · 04-23-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by arc

I think Bobby Beathard tried out your system when he was with San Diego.

Actually, Beathard was the guy trading away future firsts.

Brock · 04-23-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Wiggum

Yeah, but only two pose a risk to the Chiefs.

Wha? Jared taking the wrong cold medicine will get him kicked out for a year. This isn't limited to drinking, or DUIs.

**alanm** · 04-23-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

That's my concern, but Mecca Pena tells me we should just BELIEVE!

I will gladly pay you Tuesday, for a draft pick today.

.

I gave up on the Chiefs today. Trading their best player for a chance to draft a couple of maybe's who of course they've proven that they don't have a clue when it comes to the draft. This team has officially become a joke.
I'm so fucking pissed I'm seriously considering caring about the Bronco's now since I have to watch them every week regardless.
Why the fuck should I renew Sunday Ticket when my team doesn't give a shit about what they put on the field.
At least the Bronco's care about winning.
Oh I know. I'm supposed to get over it.

milkman · 04-23-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

Carl is the blind squirrel who finds a nut every once in a while.... not sure of his input on JA draft anyway.

Glad he got good value for him in the end.

What Carl has done over the years is allowed his head coach and coordinators strongly influence his decisions in the early rounds, and then let Chuck Cook and the scouting staff influence his later round decisions.

What we've seen over the years is that Marty, Gunt and Dick sucked ass at talent evaluation, and that Chuck Cook and his staff have a pretty good eye.

Chief Wiggum · 04-23-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Like that was going to happen... you really think Carl is going somewhere?

No - I'm not delusional, but it's not Jared's fault that the Chiefs are stupid for keeping Carl around. Jared is being made out to be argumentative and combative with the Chiefs when he never should have had to deal with Carl in the first place.

Unfortunately, I've resigned myself to the fact that Carl Peterson has some serious blackmail on the Hunt family and won't be leaving until his contract with Satan is up...

04-23-2008, 05:37 AM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6734952	Props to CP!!! We essentially got 2 1st rounders for JA! We received the Vikings 1st round pick #17 overall and BOTH of their 3rd round picks (#73 and #82). Now, follow along here: If you take the draft value chart, the combined value of the two 3rd round picks is 405 pts which is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round this year. Now, a 1st round pick NEXT YEAR (2009) is equivalent to a 2nd round pick THIS YEAR (2008), meaning the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009. Strictly from a draft value chart standard, we received the #17 overall pick in 2008 and the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009. Just giving credit where credit is due, and we are in great position now (if our draft board is setup correctly - a big if) to get SEVEN (7) of the top 100 players in the draft.
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Chief Wiggum 5 Yr Plan Take 5 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bay Area - California Casino cash: $10004900	This doesn't make any sense to me. Take away the fact the two thirds could arguably be considered a first round pick next year - the value of the trade still sucks. My point being, there are arguably 4 cornerstone positions on each team: QB, LT, CB, and DE. The only cornerstone we had locked up we just traded away on the hope that we can fill the spot with a couple of people. Why do I see a Simms & Siavii type failure here. We lucked out on JA because we picked him to be a long snapper - not because we saw him becoming a franchise DE. I understand the guy had two DUIs, but in my mind there's less risk in him getting a third then us flopping on a high-end DL pick. JA wasn't pissed at the Chiefs, he was pissed at CP - just like all of freakin' Chiefs Nation. Don't tell me we couldn't have patched the relationship up if we got rid of Carl after the season. Instead, we keep the guy who keeps people out of the stands, and get rid of the guy who fills them. I'm pissed...
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04-23-2008, 10:13 AM	#50
Chief Wiggum 5 Yr Plan Take 5 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bay Area - California Casino cash: $10004900	Yeah, but only two pose a risk to the Chiefs.
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Tiger's Fan Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ks Casino cash: $10004900	An already questionable defense just got a hell of a lot worse. Chances are not one of our now 13 picks will be as talented as JA is. Theres no other way to look at this than being a failure on CP's and the FO's part.
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04-23-2008, 10:16 AM	#53
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4808036	"Get over it" I will be pissed about this until one of these picks is a probowler, and at least one other is a solid starter. I have very little faith that that will happen, but I've never been devoid of hope, although it's getting close. If we bomb this draft.................oh my god.
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