Chiefs My opinion of Scott Pioli will be set based on the performance of this draft class. - Page 5

Frankie · 12:25 PM

These guys better be solid. I don't expect superstars but I expect each and everyone of them to contribute to a serious rapid surge towards being a SB contender.

I AM (as my other thread indicated) a bit concerned about this draft. I admit, part of that feeling is I expected perhaps a sexier or a more thrilling draft.

Another part is perhaps the middle eastern blood in me. It makes me a bit of a wheeler dealer in life and as such I really get excited about my favorite team engage in it. I envied Dallas under Jones and Johnson on draft days while I got frustrated with Peterson.

I expected pioli to rape some lesser GM out of their draft picks, move up and down the board and build up a cashe of future picks. While Belichick did this again, Pioli - at least it seems for now - got concervative and forced his picks (ala Carl Peterson). OK, I really didn't expect that dynamic a draft day as I realize that Belichik had more ammunition to do this with. But zero?! Nada?! Zilch?! I really liked Tyson Jackson, but he was not the only one I liked. Maybe we chould have made a trade with the Jets and if Pioli is the genius that every one says he is he could have squeezed a better deal from then than Cleveland did.

I also cannot understand why everything is forced toward a 3-4 or bust. Nothing's wrong with 4-3, especially if we already have accumulated some viable personnel for it. Why not use our picks toward improving on our 4-3 personnel and also address some glaring needs. And please don't give me the bullshit about we need EVERYTHING! That's a cop out and the first poster who plays that card will earn himself (or herself) a nice neg-rep. Fact is we seemed to run behind, throughout the draft, after our first pick. Maybe our lack of a 2nd caused that. But I do wonder if we had picked Maualuga for example with a 2nd whether we would have had a course adjustment and could have run into better prospects before they were picked ahead of us.

But those are the breaks. I am not unhappy with having the 2nd spent on Cassel. But he also better pan out big. In short, if Cassel and the rest of our draftees put my mind at ease, I'm prepared to become a Pioli groupy and bow to his genius like the rest of you are with blind faith. NOT BEFORE! If the selectees cause this team to lose even one year of recovery, I will brand Pioli another pig-headed clone of Carl Peterson who sacrificed our roster for a system. Bottom line, Pioli will be either a god of football or a total loser in my eyes after next season. No shades of gray in this for me.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i know this isnt what the thread is about, but how many were drafted by the pats? 5?

You build a team through the draft, FA and trades, correct?

**SAUTO** · 04-27-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You build a team through the draft, FA and trades, correct?

dont get defensive OTW my question had NOTHING to do with the conversation. just curious. couldnt remember if bruschi was drafted by the pats. if it is 5 they have got some good guys.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

dont get defensive OTW my question had NOTHING to do with the conversation. just curious. couldnt remember if bruschi was drafted by the pats. if it is 5 they have got some good guys.

Not getting defensive at all, just asking a question.

kstater · 04-27-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

No I don't.

If you're expecting all 7 draft picks to make a serious rapid surge to a SB in year one, they're going to have to be superstars, in fact, all 22 starters would have to be superstars.

**SAUTO** · 04-27-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Not getting defensive at all, just asking a question.

then i will answer(just making sure that you knew i didnt have ulterior motives)

yes thats the way to build a team, and IMO pioli has been pretty good at it

Frankie · 04-27-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

These guys better be solid. I don't expect superstars but I expect each and everyone of them to contribute to a serious rapid surge towards being a SB contender.

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Originally Posted by kstater

If you're expecting all 7 draft picks to make a serious rapid surge to a SB in year one, they're going to have to be superstars,

And,....

"Rapid rise" does not equate a single year.

**RNR** · 04-27-2009, 06:22 PM

Dang Frankie I think you are being a tad unrealistic. It is going to take more than a draft for this guy to turn a 2-12 team into a competitive team much less a Superbowl contender. Comparing what he has to work with and what Dallas had to work with is silly. When Dallas was where the Chiefs are at now they pulled off the great train robbery with the Vikings.

Trading Walker gave them multiple picks and multiple players (who if cut from the roster provided more picks) allowing them to turn a also ran into a contender rather quickly. Dallas later was much like the Patriots are now a talent loaded team which afforded them to wheel and deal as they were looking for depth and not in need of filling several holes.

As far as Cassel I have a wait and see attitude towards him as he is a one year performer going back to high school and was in the perfect situation. He put up "good" numbers in a "great" offense. That said he is most likely at least as good as any QB on the roster and may turn out to be a solid QB. The Chiefs also got a solid starter in Vrabel (sp) for that #2.

That was a good trade even on the down side. Overall Pioli seems to be looking for the players that fit the scheme the Chiefs will be running. You are wondering why they are pushing the 3-4 well I would say that is the defense the coaching staff believes in and of course the GM is going to get players to fit that scheme. As a fan of a 2-12 team you had better be willing to give this guy a few years to accomplish a Superbowl run IMO

Molitoth · 04-27-2009, 06:50 PM

Frankie is and idiot.

Pants · 04-27-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

And,....

"Rapid rise" does not equate a single year.

Define a SB contender. And even then, expecting all the picks to immediately start and contribute or otherwise Pioli is a failure? Laughable.

Molitoth · 04-27-2009, 06:53 PM

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Bottom line, Pioli will be either a god of football or a total loser in my eyes after next season

I'm going to quote this before you edit your post again.

You're giving Pioli 1 year to turn this franchise completely around with success. WTG Mr. Expectation.

RippedmyFlesh · 04-27-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I also cannot understand why everything is forced toward a 3-4 or bust. Nothing's wrong with 4-3, especially if we already have accumulated some viable personnel for it. Why not use our picks toward improving on our 4-3 personnel and also address some glaring needs. And please don't give me the bullshit about we need EVERYTHING! That's a cop out and the first poster who plays that card will earn himself (or herself) a nice neg-rep. Fact is we seemed to run behind, throughout the draft, after our first pick. Maybe our lack of a 2nd caused that. But I do wonder if we had picked Maualuga for example with a 2nd whether we would have had a course adjustment and could have run into better prospects before they were picked ahead of us.

The Tampa 2 is dead for now.Even tampa isn't going to run it.
Jared Allen had enough talent to over come the horrible coaching enough to make us a middle of the road D.
You may want to follow the meandaring aimless ways of the past. I'll take a proven plan even if it means starting over.

GoHuge · 04-27-2009, 07:38 PM

One draft and that's it? Carl had twenty and your gonna string this guy up over one if it's not gang busters? He'll be correcting years of subpar drafts under the past regime for a while...see Dayton Moore.

KcFanInGA · 04-27-2009, 07:45 PM

Really? Neg rep for disagreeing with you? Better withhold my post.

el borracho · 04-27-2009, 07:50 PM

Why wait? Just go psycho-bananacakes now and get it over with.

Frankie · 04-27-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Frankie is and idiot.

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

You're giving Pioli 1 year to turn this franchise completely around with success. WTG Mr. Expectation.

No moron, I'm giving Pioli 1 year to prove to me these picks are viable stones to build a championship team. And since he is making major alterations without cause I want him to place the team in the exact same progress stage that this team would have been had he not used the picks for a system switch. IMO keeping 4-3 and using the picks well on a RDE, A center and a RT and a 4-3 Lb would have put this team in a position to at least give SD a good challenge for the division. That's where we should be next year. I want accelerated performance from these picks because I feel the switch is causing us a year of delay in our comeback.

Is it that difficult for some of you to read simple English and get it?

04-27-2009, 11:58 AM
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	My opinion of Scott Pioli will be set based on the performance of this draft class. These guys better be solid. I don't expect superstars but I expect each and everyone of them to contribute to a serious rapid surge towards being a SB contender. I AM (as my other thread indicated) a bit concerned about this draft. I admit, part of that feeling is I expected perhaps a sexier or a more thrilling draft. Another part is perhaps the middle eastern blood in me. It makes me a bit of a wheeler dealer in life and as such I really get excited about my favorite team engage in it. I envied Dallas under Jones and Johnson on draft days while I got frustrated with Peterson. I expected pioli to rape some lesser GM out of their draft picks, move up and down the board and build up a cashe of future picks. While Belichick did this again, Pioli - at least it seems for now - got concervative and forced his picks (ala Carl Peterson). OK, I really didn't expect that dynamic a draft day as I realize that Belichik had more ammunition to do this with. But zero?! Nada?! Zilch?! I really liked Tyson Jackson, but he was not the only one I liked. Maybe we chould have made a trade with the Jets and if Pioli is the genius that every one says he is he could have squeezed a better deal from then than Cleveland did. I also cannot understand why everything is forced toward a 3-4 or bust. Nothing's wrong with 4-3, especially if we already have accumulated some viable personnel for it. Why not use our picks toward improving on our 4-3 personnel and also address some glaring needs. And please don't give me the bullshit about we need EVERYTHING! That's a cop out and the first poster who plays that card will earn himself (or herself) a nice neg-rep. Fact is we seemed to run behind, throughout the draft, after our first pick. Maybe our lack of a 2nd caused that. But I do wonder if we had picked Maualuga for example with a 2nd whether we would have had a course adjustment and could have run into better prospects before they were picked ahead of us. But those are the breaks. I am not unhappy with having the 2nd spent on Cassel. But he also better pan out big. In short, if Cassel and the rest of our draftees put my mind at ease, I'm prepared to become a Pioli groupy and bow to his genius like the rest of you are with blind faith. NOT BEFORE! If the selectees cause this team to lose even one year of recovery, I will brand Pioli another pig-headed clone of Carl Peterson who sacrificed our roster for a system. Bottom line, Pioli will be either a god of football or a total loser in my eyes after next season. No shades of gray in this for me. Last edited by Frankie; 04-27-2009 at 12:25 PM..
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