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duncan_idaho · 09:30 AM

With my 6,000th post on ChiefsPlanet (it only took me 12 years to get here), I bring you: The 2014 Kansas City Royals Repository.

To be discussed here: All things Royals, as they attempt to post another winning season and make it back to the playoffs for the first time since 1985.

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Duncan's Top 20 Royals Prospects

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**Shogun** · 02-08-2014, 04:47 PM

Billy Butler will have a career year and hit 30 bombs. Mark this post mother****ers.

tk13 · 02-08-2014, 04:50 PM

Ken Harvey was at least a prospect. Mark Redman was basically a 4/5 starter. Harvey never really recovered after they sent him down for Calvin Pickering.

**alnorth** · 02-08-2014, 04:59 PM

Back to the DH:

The thing about a full-time DH that you need to remember is that the replacement isn't the same as the replacement for a position guy. If someone like Infante, Cain, Gordon, or Perez goes down, we're screwed because their replacement is going to be a massive downgrade and may not even be on the active roster now.

If you don't have a full-time DH, his replacement is not a AAA player. His replacement is the rest of your team. You are giving all of your starters 5 or 6 games off anyway, if you have them DH then your starting hitters fill out 1/3 of your DH spot for the season. (especially since Salvy will get at least 20 games off from catching and he's a good hitter) The other 2/3 comes from bench guys who were able to hit well enough to make your team. You can't compare the DH to a replacement-level player, because the replacements will all probably hit well enough to put up decent numbers.

12.5MM is a ton of money to pay in 2015 for someone who will only be a marginal upgrade over the other guys on the team who would pick up the slack, Butler really needs to blow up for that to make sense.

Al Bundy · 02-08-2014, 10:35 PM

Still amazes me that people think Sweeney was clean before he got his money. Of course he quit doing the 'Roids after he got his money. He quit working out, let himself go and of course when that happened he developed those injuries. I think once he got injured he really mailed it in and that was it. The losing wasn't his fault though, that is on the Glassholes.

SPATCH · 02-08-2014, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Still amazes me that people think Sweeney was clean before he got his money. Of course he quit doing the 'Roids after he got his money. He quit working out, let himself go and of course when that happened he developed those injuries. I think once he got injured he really mailed it in and that was it. The losing wasn't his fault though, that is on the Glassholes.

???????

Normally accumulation of injuries isn't associated with STOPPING steroids?

Lex Luthor · 02-08-2014, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Still amazes me that people think Sweeney was clean before he got his money. Of course he quit doing the 'Roids after he got his money. He quit working out, let himself go and of course when that happened he developed those injuries. I think once he got injured he really mailed it in and that was it. The losing wasn't his fault though, that is on the Glassholes.

Complete bullshit speculation without a shred of evidence to back it up.

Did A-Rod quit doing steroids after he got his money? Barry Bonds? Sammy Sosa?

Lex Luthor · 02-08-2014, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

???????

Normally accumulation of injuries isn't associated with STOPPING steroids?

Haters are gonna hate. Their "reasoning" doesn't have to make sense.

tk13 · 02-09-2014, 12:00 AM

Sweeney started having problems once he stopped eating Captain Crunch and switched to Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

Al Bundy · 02-09-2014, 07:23 AM

Actually the injuries are associated with steroid use. I don't doubt the back injuries killed his career, but steroids were the reason for his back injury. Jason Grimsley was a big time steroid guy for the time he was here in KC. But it's all ancient history now, Sweeney is back and Royals fans can continue to love him.

BigCatDaddy · 02-09-2014, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Actually the injuries are associated with steroid use. I don't doubt the back injuries killed his career, but steroids were the reason for his back injury. Jason Grimsley was a big time steroid guy for the time he was here in KC. But it's all ancient history now, Sweeney is back and Royals fans can continue to love him.

How do steroids cause back injuries?

BigCatDaddy · 02-09-2014, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Complete bullshit speculation without a shred of evidence to back it up.

Did A-Rod quit doing steroids after he got his money? Barry Bonds? Sammy Sosa?

I obviously can't prove it but I think Frenchy used his first year in KC then quit when got paid.

Al Bundy · 02-09-2014, 10:49 AM

Steroids can cause skeletal and muscle injuries simply because the strain of bigger muscles puts on them is far more than if you develop them naturally.

BigCatDaddy · 02-09-2014, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Steroids can cause skeletal and muscle injuries simply because the strain of bigger muscles puts on them is far more than if you develop them naturally.

Do you have a link? I'm also guessing if anything Mike was taking test and hgh which would prevent injuries. He wasn't exactly Jay Cutler.

Deberg_1990 · 02-09-2014, 12:04 PM

Gotta agree with George here. Sweeney is a loser. Bad karma having him around.

stonedstooge · 02-09-2014, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Gotta agree with George here. Sweeney is a loser. Bad karma having him around.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1570308	2014 Royals Repository With my 6,000th post on ChiefsPlanet (it only took me 12 years to get here), I bring you: The 2014 Kansas City Royals Repository. To be discussed here: All things Royals, as they attempt to post another winning season and make it back to the playoffs for the first time since 1985. 25-man RosterAvailable HERE AL Central Standings: Link Duncan's Top 20 Royals Prospects Spoiler! 1) 3B Hunter Dozier ETA: 2015 Dozier started slowly at A+ Wilmington but caught fire in May and June, earning a mid-season promotion to AA Northwest Arkansas. Big, strong kid with good plate discipline skills and solid power who projects to be an above-average glove at 3B with solid power. 2) SS Raul (Adalberto) Mondesi ETA: 2017 Mondesis is the opposite of Dozier…. Started red-hot at Wilmington before back spasms derailed him for a few weeks and hasn’t gotten it going since coming back. Scouting reports have been great – defense and speed both improved over the offseason. Still a chance to be an elite SS, with 40 SB speed, plus glove, .300 average and some pop. 3) LHP Sean Manaea \| ETA: 2015 Scouting reports outperform the stat line so far. Missing a ton of bats at A+ but not preventing runs like you’d expect to see. Needs to work deeper into games (gradually working about an inning deeper/month so far this year) and improve control. Walks are biggest concern right now, but could be elevated due to work on extra off-speed offerings. Still has No. 2 starter potential, could be higher if the great control he exhibited before his hip surgery eventually comes back. 4) RHP Kyle Zimmer\| ETA: 2015 Should be NO. 1 on the list and is probably the Royals most VALUABLE current prospect, but he hasn’t thrown a ball in 4-5 weeks and had only been throwing for 2-3 weeks when he was shut down then. 5) LHP Brandon Finnegan\| ETA: 2015 Top 2014 draft choice is an undersized lefty who will start at A+ Wilmington after anchoring CWS run for TCU. Good fastball, better slider, change that needs work to stick as a starter, but if he sticks, No. 2/No. 3 starter upside. Likely a top 10 or even top 5 pick if he doesn’t miss 1 start in the middle of the college season as a precautionary move. 6) RHP Miguel Almonte\| ETA: 2016 Have heard some say Almonte is more advanced as a pitcher at A+ than Yordano Ventura was (comparison because both were cheap signs out of Latin America). Really advanced changeup and a curve that is working out well (where the ‘more advanced’ comment comes from). Fastball velo is good but not great – 92-94. Like Manaea, working on his second-best offspeed pitch and leaning less on his bread-and butter (changeup), which has hurt his numbers a bit. 7) RHP Christian Binford 2017 Reverse case of “don’t just scout stat lines.” Based on his stats at A+, you’d think he was an elite prospect, but there are questions about Binford’s stuff playing up at higher levels. Tall righty with great command of fastball, slider and a good and still developing changeup. None of those pitches profiles as better than average, though, limiting his likely upside to back-end rotation guy. 8) SS Orlando Calixte\| ETA: 2016 I still like him more than many. Good combination of SS/MI skills and power. Started hot at NWA but in a slump at moment. 9)LHP Foster Griffin \| ETA: 2019 Tall, projectable lefty taken in 2014 draft. Viewed as a great value in the sandwich round and probably would have been KC’s pick at No. 17 if Finnegan hadn’t fallen. High school arm who is going to take a while to develop. 10) RF Jorge Bonifacio\| ETA: 2016 Hasn’t hit as well as expected in his second go-round at AA NWA. Power still sapped, and average skills have dipped. Once looked like he might be an option in RF at some point in 2015, now looks like 2016 is optimistic. Still young for his level. 11) 3B/2B Cheslor Cuthbert\| ETA: 2016 Cuthbert has had better luck at NWA than Boni and is also extremely young for level. HE’s been moved to 2B since Dozier was promoted, which could put a new spin on Cuthbert’s prospects. If he sticks at 2B, bat plays up much better. Good OBP/plate discipline and solid power, but needs to continue improving contact skills 12) C Chase Vallot\| ETA: 2020 Young (just 17) C with tremendous power. One of the top prep bats and a great value for KC where it got him. If he sticks at C, expect him to move slowly, but the bat may force the issue (or force him to another position). 13) C Zane Evans\| ETA: 2017 GA Tech product has handled Wilmington better than most RH bats and probably is in line for a promotion to NWA sometime soon. Decent pop, decent skills behind the plate. Could be a nice reserve catcher. 14) RHP Scott Blewett\| ETA: 2020 Tall, projectable righty with a fresh arm but some injury concerns on his shoulder that slipped him out of Round 1 of MLB draft. Big time potential. 15) CF Bubba Starling \| ETA: Bubba Starling has great tools. Bubba Starling (still) can’t hit. That’s all I have to say about that. 16) 1B Samir Duenez\| ETA: I still like him, even though the attempt to run him through full season ball at 17 did not go well. 17)LF/RF Elier Hernandez\| ETA: Hernandez still pops up in scouting reports but still is very raw and toolsy. 18) RHP Pedro Fernandez\| ETA: Pop-up player on the same track as Ventura and Almonte. Similar signing, similar profile. One to watch over next few years. 19) SS Marten Gasparini\| ETA: Royals’ most expensive international signing likely moves to CF eventually, but his speed and athleticism are intriguing abilities. Early reports from complex ball are very positive on him. 20) RHP Niklas Stephenson\| ETA: Interesting pop-up candidate who found 10 more MPH on his fastball by using a weighted ball during workouts over the winter. Now sits mid-90s with fastball and is dominating at rookie ball (after having an ERA over 8 there a year ago). Likely promoted to a higher challenge soon. Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-01-2014 at 09:30 AM..
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02-08-2014, 04:50 PM	#1097
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1822500	Ken Harvey was at least a prospect. Mark Redman was basically a 4/5 starter. Harvey never really recovered after they sent him down for Calvin Pickering.
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02-08-2014, 04:59 PM	#1098
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	Back to the DH: The thing about a full-time DH that you need to remember is that the replacement isn't the same as the replacement for a position guy. If someone like Infante, Cain, Gordon, or Perez goes down, we're screwed because their replacement is going to be a massive downgrade and may not even be on the active roster now. If you don't have a full-time DH, his replacement is not a AAA player. His replacement is the rest of your team. You are giving all of your starters 5 or 6 games off anyway, if you have them DH then your starting hitters fill out 1/3 of your DH spot for the season. (especially since Salvy will get at least 20 games off from catching and he's a good hitter) The other 2/3 comes from bench guys who were able to hit well enough to make your team. You can't compare the DH to a replacement-level player, because the replacements will all probably hit well enough to put up decent numbers. 12.5MM is a ton of money to pay in 2015 for someone who will only be a marginal upgrade over the other guys on the team who would pick up the slack, Butler really needs to blow up for that to make sense. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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02-08-2014, 10:35 PM	#1099
Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5321831	Still amazes me that people think Sweeney was clean before he got his money. Of course he quit doing the 'Roids after he got his money. He quit working out, let himself go and of course when that happened he developed those injuries. I think once he got injured he really mailed it in and that was it. The losing wasn't his fault though, that is on the Glassholes.
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02-09-2014, 12:00 AM	#1103
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1822500	Sweeney started having problems once he stopped eating Captain Crunch and switched to Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
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02-09-2014, 07:23 AM	#1104
Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5321831	Actually the injuries are associated with steroid use. I don't doubt the back injuries killed his career, but steroids were the reason for his back injury. Jason Grimsley was a big time steroid guy for the time he was here in KC. But it's all ancient history now, Sweeney is back and Royals fans can continue to love him.
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02-09-2014, 10:49 AM	#1107
Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5321831	Steroids can cause skeletal and muscle injuries simply because the strain of bigger muscles puts on them is far more than if you develop them naturally.
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02-09-2014, 12:04 PM	#1109
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3834454	Gotta agree with George here. Sweeney is a loser. Bad karma having him around. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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