Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 97

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

ModSocks · 10-31-2018, 02:45 PM

No one ever mentions the 6 year rookie deal he gave the Chiefs either, which was highly uncommon. Most rookie deals were 5 years for first rounders at the time. Giving the Chiefs an extra year on a cheaper rookie contract.

Marcellus · 10-31-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

He was already paid. Did you forget his $60 mill rookie contract?

$60MM? Thats chump change.

ModSocks · 10-31-2018, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

He was still heavily motivated to earn that second contract. If this was a contract year, do you think he'd let his pain keep him from getting on the field?

Yes. He's not a man of poor character. Never has been.

Fans are throwing that bullshit on him because they're left to their own devices regarding his injury because of a lack of transparency from the organization.

I get it, it's frustrating that the seemingly "answer" to our porous defense is on the bench. We need an all pro safety and we have one.....and he's not playing.

All your doing is looking for a place to lay blame since you don't have one, and smearing his character seems easier than just admitting he's injured.

**Easy 6** · 10-31-2018, 02:55 PM

Week 11 in Mexico City, if he doesnt play then there is no point in playing him at all

OKchiefs · 10-31-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Week 11 in Mexico City, if he doesnt play then there is no point in playing him at all

Berry would have to be practicing by next week in order for him to play in Mexico City. I'd guess there's almost 0% chance of that happening.

Otter · 10-31-2018, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yes. He's not a man of poor character. Never has been.

Fans are throwing that bullshit on him because they're left to their own devices regarding his injury because of a lack of transparency from the organization.

I get it, it's frustrating that the seemingly "answer" to our porous defense is on the bench. We need an all pro safety and we have one.....and he's not playing.

All your doing is looking for a place to lay blame since you don't have one, and smearing his character seems easier than just admitting he's injured.

How is asking Berry to make room for another player on the roster until he can play smearing his character?

He played 1 game over a year ago.

Marcellus · 10-31-2018, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

How is asking Berry to make room for another player until he can play smearing his character?

What player is that? You know they only dress 48 on game day and thats never been an issue.

RunKC · 10-31-2018, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Week 11 in Mexico City, if he doesnt play then there is no point in playing him at all

Nah bring him back to get ready for January. That’s when we’ll need him.

Kiimo · 10-31-2018, 03:11 PM

Make room for WHAT player?

Some practice squad schlub? God you act like we have other talented players and he's taking up a scholarship. JFC you can just eliminate one of these nobodies and clear a spot. I'm sick of hearing that nonsense

edit: beaten

Marcellus · 10-31-2018, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Nah bring him back to get ready for January. That’s when we’ll need him.

I say rest him until the SB in February.

Otter · 10-31-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Make room for WHAT player?

Some practice squad schlub? God you act like we have other talented players and he's taking up a scholarship. JFC you can just eliminate one of these nobodies and clear a spot. I'm sick of hearing that nonsense

edit: beaten

Want to know what all these guys have in common?

Dallas Cowboys. QB Tony Romo. ...
New York Giants. WR Victor Cruz. ...
Philadelphia Eagles. S Andre Waters. ...
Washington Redskins. OT Joe Jacoby. ...
Chicago Bears. K Robbie Gould. ...
Detroit Lions. CB Richard "Night Train" Lane. ...
Green Bay Packers. S Willie Wood. ...
Minnesota Vikings. DT John Randle.

Add Priest Holmes to that list as well Einstein.

I'll try to let you figure it out.

Kiimo · 10-31-2018, 03:21 PM

Do you think we have some safety of Berry's level waiting in the wings?

Otter · 10-31-2018, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Do you think we have some safety of Berry's level waiting in the wings?

Do you mean the level of a man that hasn't play for over a year?

Yeah, that's not too hard to surpass.

You're acting like I'm advocating kicking him off the team instead of going to IR and making room for someone who might actually suit up.

A crash test dummy can't play his role at this point.

Marcellus · 10-31-2018, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

Want to know what all these guys have in common?

Dallas Cowboys. QB Tony Romo. ...
New York Giants. WR Victor Cruz. ...
Philadelphia Eagles. S Andre Waters. ...
Washington Redskins. OT Joe Jacoby. ...
Chicago Bears. K Robbie Gould. ...
Detroit Lions. CB Richard "Night Train" Lane. ...
Green Bay Packers. S Willie Wood. ...
Minnesota Vikings. DT John Randle.

Add Priest Holmes to that list as well Einstein.

I'll try to let you figure it out.

What? I mean you can make a list of UDFA's who ended up being good but its irrelevant. We have other guys who are on the roster like Ward who never see the field.

Its a ridiculously weak argument.

Marcellus · 10-31-2018, 03:29 PM

Jimmy Murray
Deon Yeldon
Chartavias Ward

These are guys on the 53 man roster that I bet 98% of Chiefs fans have no idea who they are and 2 of the 3 have never been active for a game.

Then you have 9 PS players who you have never heard of.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1886899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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