How does Herm do it?

[Chiefnj2]

How does Herm continue to get players to play hard for him? Most fans and media members grow tired of Herm quickly. It's taken only 1 year, with a playoff appearance, and I'd say that 50% of the fans want him gone. Last year at times Gonzo and LJ were publicly questioning the direction of the team and/or playcalling, etc. Yesterday Gonzo is talking about how great the team is. How does Herm keep players on his side and keep them believing and buying into his average program?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yep.

Croyle = SOME hope, ANY hope

Huard = NO hope

That's silly.

Trent fuggen Dilfer has a ring. ANYBODY, with the right supporting cast, can win a SB. Ben Rippedhisrubber wasn't all that superb a passer when Pitt won theirs.

If your defense is consistently good, your running game is consistently good, and your QB and HC don't make stupid mistakes (here is the no 1 reason KC has no rings recently) you can win a super bowl.

KC is likely 32-1 to win a super bowl but it's always possible. It's also more likely with a vet QB. I don't care about next year. I may be dead. I might find out I have cancer. I care about this season and trying to win it all this year.

Next year I'll worry about next year...

[RustShack]

There is no point in us drafting another QB high up to just have him rot on the bench.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Rausch

That's silly.

Trent fuggen Dilfer has a ring. ANYBODY, with the right supporting cast, can win a SB. Ben Rippedhisrubber wasn't all that superb a passer when Pitt won theirs.

If your defense is consistently good, your running game is consistently good, and your QB and HC don't make stupid mistakes (here is the no 1 reason KC has no rings recently) you can win a super bowl.

KC is likely 32-1 to win a super bowl but it's always possible. It's also more likely with a vet QB. I don't care about next year. I may be dead. I might find out I have cancer. I care about this season and trying to win it all this year.

Next year I'll worry about next year...

Dilfer and Ben had a much better defense helping them out.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by RustShack

There is no point in us drafting another QB high up to just have him rot on the bench.

Croyle wasn't drafted high up...

He was a 3rd round pick.

Most 3rd round QB's are projects...

Looks like the Brodie Croyle project isn't working out too nicely thus far...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Rausch

That's silly.

Trent fuggen Dilfer has a ring. ANYBODY, with the right supporting cast, can win a SB. Ben Rippedhisrubber wasn't all that superb a passer when Pitt won theirs.

If your defense is consistently good, your running game is consistently good, and your QB and HC don't make stupid mistakes (here is the no 1 reason KC has no rings recently) you can win a super bowl.

KC is likely 32-1 to win a super bowl but it's always possible. It's also more likely with a vet QB. I don't care about next year. I may be dead. I might find out I have cancer. I care about this season and trying to win it all this year.

Next year I'll worry about next year...

Trent Dilfer has FAR better physical skills than Damon Huard. FAR BETTER. Baltimore didn't have to strip down the offense to accomodate Dilfer like we had to do with Huard.

And there is zero possibility that this year's Chiefs even MAKE the Super bowl, let alone win it. ZERO.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Dilfer and Ben had a much better defense helping them out.

Not necessarily true...

Our defense has a LOT of talent...

I think we have a really good defense, we'll see how good it really is when they start actually game planning for opponents in the regular season.

I think DJ is going to break out this year, as well as Pollard.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Croyle BLEW his chance. It's that simple.

Herm has HIS OWN JOB to protect, and you really think the players are going to respect a guy who hands the QB job to a guy who has played as abysmal as Croyle has this preseason?

Every snap for Brodie should have been like it was a playoff game for him, and he choked. It's that simple. Blame it on the supporting cast, offensive line, whatever...Brodie didn't produce, so Herm has to go with the veteran.

Don't worry though, if the Chiefs offense is as bad as everyone thinks, it'll be Croyle time around week 5 and then he'll be ruined for good and we can look to QB's next draft.

Did Croyle make mistakes? Yes. Would Peyton Manning have had better stats behind this line during the NO game? No. No QB can be successful with 2 seconds or less to get rid of the ball on every snap.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Trent Dilfer has FAR better physical skills than Damon Huard. FAR BETTER. Baltimore didn't have to strip down the offense to accomodate Dilfer like we had to do with Huard.

And there is zero possibility that this year's Chiefs even MAKE the Super bowl, let alone win it. ZERO.

Cool.

So let's start Croyle so he can throw ridiculous interceptions and make ridiculous mistakes...

That'll help him grow as a QB!

OR!!!!

We can work on our OL next off-season and maybe give Croyle a chance to make it in the NFL!

I know, too much common sense.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Not necessarily true...

Our defense has a LOT of talent...

I think we have a really good defense, we'll see how good it really is when they start actually game planning for opponents in the regular season.

I think DJ is going to break out this year, as well as Pollard.

So you think we have been holding back and will start tackling now that the games count? Take your ****ing homer glasses off.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Did Croyle make mistakes? Yes. Would Peyton Manning have had better stats behind this line during the NO game? No. No QB can be successful with 2 seconds or less to get rid of the ball on every snap.

Damon Huard was successful with this same line last season. SAME LINE. SAME LINE. SAAAAAAAAAAAAAME LINE. SAME SCHEME.

Green, was not...

Huard gets rid of the ball...

It's that simple. When you have a shitty line, you have to trust your instincts...Huard did a great job of 'when in doubting' it to Tony G or LJ...

Green couldn't do that...and Croyle just ducks and falls forward.

And I'm pretty sure Peyton Manning would've done a little better than Croyle during the NO game.

JUST A HUNCH

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Plummer was awful last year, the final straw was the KC game...

Shannahan had already made the decision to start Cutler the home game after the KC game. He did not want to expose Cutler to the KC fans his first time out. Plummer knew he was a lame duck in the KC game.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by penguinz

So you think we have been holding back and will start tackling now that the games count? Take your ****ing homer glasses off.

Sure, why not?

It's hard to be a starter, know you're going to play a quarter or two, and be pumped up for the game.

I think, at least hope, the intensity picks up when the real games start.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Shannahan had already made the decision to start Cutler the home game after the KC game. He did not want to expose Cutler to the KC fans his first time out. Plummer knew he was a lame duck in the KC game.

Personally, I don't even think Cutler is that good.

Shit, Cutler and Brodie Croyle are a lot alike, IMO.

Big arms, neither are super accurate, and neither have a lot of savvy.

Cutler does have one thing to his advantage...Mike Shanahan.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Damon Huard was successful with this same line last season. SAME LINE. SAME LINE. SAAAAAAAAAAAAAME LINE. SAME SCHEME.

Green, was not...

Huard gets rid of the ball...

It's that simple. When you have a shitty line, you have to trust your instincts...Huard did a great job of 'when in doubting' it to Tony G or LJ...

Green couldn't do that...and Croyle just ducks and falls forward.

And I'm pretty sure Peyton Manning would've done a little better than Croyle during the NO game.

JUST A HUNCH

Same line? You really did not watch any games did you?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Same line? You really did not watch any games did you?

Uhm, yeah...

Our line was atrocious last year, too...

Horrible (which is why it's not a good idea to cut Dunn)...

Green couldn't handle it, either...

Huard however, did just fine (other than the fumbles)...

Like I said, he 'when in doubted' it and it worked out, when you have a player like Tony Gonzalez you might as well utilize him (something I never thought Trent Green did very well, GrBac was also good at getting the ball to Tony G)...