Life without Parole for nonviolent Cannabis conviction

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

As a physician I am all for drug legalization.
allopathic medicine should not be legalized drug dealing.

As a non physician some of the most ridiculously clueless people I have met have been PHD's. Something about adding that Dr title seems to make people stop thinking clearly.

They are all really smart, but most are clueless when it comes to reality. And I deal with a ton of them in my line of work.

You dont seem to be the exception

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

As a non physician some of the most ridiculously clueless people I have met have been PHD's. Something about adding that Dr title seems to make people stop thinking clearly.

They are all really smart, but most are clueless when it comes to reality. And I deal with a ton of them in my line of work.

You dont seem to be the exception

instead of beating around the bush to say I'm clueless, why dont you share why currently illegal drugs should not be legalized?

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

instead of beating around the bush to say I'm clueless, why dont you share why currently illegal drugs should not be legalized?

Why don't you tell us what good can come from legalizing heroin, meth, coke, etc.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Why don't you tell us what good can come from legalizing heroin, meth, coke, etc.

all drugs should be legal. An adult of sound mind should have the ability to do with their body as they please. Any "sin" would be against themself. Just like alcohol, a consenting adult should be free to partake of whichever drug they use (and accept the consequences of their actions). Just like those who abuse alcohol, their are means of dealing with any crimes that come from abuse (DWI, DUI, theft, etc.). Just like alcohol, not all users are abusers. In essence, self-medicating should not be illegal.

In medicine we have the principle of autonomy. Respect for autonomy includes respecting an individual’s right to self-determination as well as creating the conditions necessary for autonomous choice. Thus my job is to provide patients with the knowledge so that they can make an informed decision. I try to avoid a paternalistic relationship with my patients, and I dont think that the government should have a "nanny" state relationship with citizens telling them what they should and shouldnt eat, drink, smoke, shoot-up, etc.

As for other reasons why heroin, meth, coke, etc should be legal:

1. Legalizing drugs would make our streets and homes safer.
2. End prison overcrowding.
3. Drug legalization would free up police resources to fight non-drug related crimes against people and property.
4. Unclog the court system.
5. Reduce corruption of officials.
6. Legalization would save tax money.
7. Legalized drugs would cripple organized crime.
8. Legal drugs would be safer. Legalization is a consumer protection issue.
9. Legalization would slow the spread of AIDS and other diseases.
10. Legalization would halt the erosion of other civil liberties.
11. Legalization would stabilize foreign countries and make them safer for residents and travelers.
12. Legalization would repair U.S. relations with other countries and curtail anti-American sentiment around the world.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

1. Legalizing drugs would make our streets and homes safer.
Yes, more drug users that will do anything to get their next fix would make our streets safer. Are you ****ing reeruned?
2. End prison overcrowding.
The drugs would still cost money and as you had more people getting addicted and not able to afford their habit you would see other crimes like theft increase. Prisons would still be full, but they would be full of drug addicts charged with other crimes.
3. Drug legalization would free up police resources to fight non-drug related crimes against people and property.
These other crimes you speak of would be on a steady increase so police resources would be just as busy.
4. Unclog the court system.
see above
5. Reduce corruption of officials.
Why? There would just be something else to cause corruption.
6. Legalization would save tax money.
We would increase tax revenue due to drug sales and decrease revenue due to less people being able to hold a job because they're junkies.
7. Legalized drugs would cripple organized crime.
organized crime would either find something else or sell drugs cheaper.
8. Legal drugs would be safer. Legalization is a consumer protection issue.
so not only would we have more drug addicts around, they would also be living longer. Great plan, Einstein.
9. Legalization would slow the spread of AIDS and other diseases.
Great! More junkies living longer. Brilliant!
10. Legalization would halt the erosion of other civil liberties.
11. Legalization would stabilize foreign countries and make them safer for residents and travelers.
Let's stabilize other countries while destroying ours. Once again, Brilliant!
12. Legalization would repair U.S. relations with other countries and curtail anti-American sentiment around the world.
You're right. Other countries hate us because of our illegal drugs.

Did your Phd come with a lollipop and 25% off coupon at Old Navy?

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Did your Phd come with a lollipop and 25% off coupon at Old Navy?

1. I dont have a phd dipshit.

2. your responses below are based on fear and not based on evidence. You seem to believe that there would be more junkies with drug legalization which would lead to more crime. Where is the evidence? We already have the evidence that the US war on drugs is a failure. Policy should be based on evidence and not conjecture.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Yes, more drug users that will do anything to get their next fix would make our streets safer. Are you ****ing reeruned?

- reference portugal.

-those who will want to get their fix can get it. If it is legalized than it would be easily available, cheaper, and cleaner

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

The drugs would still cost money and as you had more people getting addicted and not able to afford their habit you would see other crimes like theft increase. Prisons would still be full, but they would be full of drug addicts charged with other crimes.

-reference portugal, and now US states that have legalized marijuana.

- you keep talking about afford the habit. the only reason drugs are expensive is because its a black market. Not all users are abuser nor do they all break other laws. Those who abuse and break other laws should have an opportunity for rehab.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

These other crimes you speak of would be on a steady increase so police resources would be just as busy.

there is pretty good data around the world on this now, and you are incorrect.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

4. Unclog the court system. see above

yes, see above.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Why? There would just be something else to cause corruption.

drugs are not the only reason for corruption, but it should be 1 less reason. Whatever the "other reason" is you speak of, it would still exist today while drugs are illegal (essentially keeping drugs illegal isnt preventing a form of corruption from taking hold).

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

6. Legalization would save tax money.
We would increase tax revenue due to drug sales and decrease revenue due to less people being able to hold a job because they're junkies.

reference portugal as well as other places that have some form of drug legalization. I agree there would be an increased tax revenue from drug sales (as seen in Colorado).

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

7. Legalized drugs would cripple organized crime.
organized crime would either find something else or sell drugs cheaper.

that is the free market. that being said, US alcohol prohibition has great evidence on the results of decriminalizing alcohol on organized crime. On a per-capita basis, members of organized crime, particularly at the top, stand to lose the most from legalizing the drug trade.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

so not only would we have more drug addicts around, they would also be living longer. Great plan, Einstein.

thanks.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

9. Legalization would slow the spread of AIDS and other diseases.
Great! More junkies living longer. Brilliant!

thanks

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Let's stabilize other countries while destroying ours. Once again, Brilliant

what happens in other countries many times does directly affect the US in blowback. The events of September 11th is a recent example of that.

those who fail to learn from history will soon repeat it.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You're right. Other countries hate us because of our illegal drugs.

its a complex issue that you fail to grasp. The US drug policy (and forcing other countries to conform) have had lasting and serious consequences around the world. The US war on drugs has led to worldwide conflicts and destabilized other countries.

[Johnny Vegas]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Did your Phd come with a lollipop and 25% off coupon at Old Navy?

you better spray some windex on your crystal ball. looking a little foggy...I mean since you know what happens and all...

http://rt.com/usa/colorado-crime-cha...ion-study-017/

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas

you better spray some windex on your crystal ball. looking a little foggy...I mean since you know what happens and all...

http://rt.com/usa/colorado-crime-cha...ion-study-017/

The discussion I was having with planetdipshit was around legalization of all drugs like cocaine, heroin, etc... I have no problem with marijuana being legal.