The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[Buck]

Originally Posted by noa

So what's the deal with the timeline here?

Were these events between Jack and Kate before Jack's epic meltdown that was last season's finale, or did that precede this episode? I know Kate's trial came first, but that seems like its very early on in the post-island timeline, whereas Jack's meltdown could have been later, at a point where he had really pissed off Kate, like he started to do in this episode. It seemed like they were hinting that this was the beginning of a downward spiral for Jack, not the beginning of another one. Thoughts?

Also, what about the Red Sox/Yankees thing. I read one theory that the article referred to a series in 2007 where the Yankees swept the Sox, but then someone pointed out that all of those games were close, so they weren't really bludgeonings, and the most recent bludgeoning throughout a series by the Yankees over the Sox was actually in 2006.

In order (the Jack Flash Forwards)

- This seasons premier (Hurley episode)
- Last weeks episode
- Last seasons finale

[noa]

Originally Posted by Cro

In order (the Jack Flash Forwards)

- This seasons premier (Hurley episode)
- Last weeks episode
- Last seasons finale

Thanks. That makes sense.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Cro

So, I have a feeling that the Locke - Sawyer rivalry will be better than the Jack - Locke rivalry.

I hope so, they're my two favorite characters on there.

I'm starting to like the new "Dark Jack" though...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Obviously, I'm thinking this would be pretty late in the story, perhaps later than we've seen thus far.
It's just I'm seeing the same dynamic of faith and frustration Locke had with his Dad between him and Ben.

Apparently Ben and Whidmore can't be killed (much like the other people from the island off the island.)

Those two have set up the classic God/Satan battle. They have rules for interaction, they don't (for the most part) directly kill anyone on the island, and they're both figting for the island (souls, earth, etc.)

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Obviously, I'm thinking this would be pretty late in the story, perhaps later than we've seen thus far.
It's just I'm seeing the same dynamic of faith and frustration Locke had with his Dad between him and Ben.

I think you may be right. I expect we're going to see at least some of the Oceanic 6 going back to the Island late in the series. Perhaps by leaving they've somehow screwed up the timeline and undone the purpose of the Dharma Project (stopping doomsday).

[Miles]

Kate being a terribly annoying character is now really starting to outweigh her being hot.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

I think you may be right. I expect we're going to see at least some of the Oceanic 6 going back to the Island late in the series. Perhaps by leaving they've somehow screwed up the timeline and undone the purpose of the Dharma Project (stopping doomsday).

I was under the impression that the furthest into the future that we'd see was last season's finale.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Miles

Kate being a terribly annoying character is now really starting to outweigh her being hot.

Not a chance.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Miles

Kate being a terribly annoying character is now really starting to outweigh her being hot.

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

I was under the impression that the furthest into the future that we'd see was last season's finale.

It is. I expect we will start seeing past that time-frame next season.

BRC- That second pic...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BigOlChiefsfan

Freakin' excellent show last night. Ben's little smile as he left Said after Said killed Baldy and then 'insisted' on joining Ben? Priceless.

This is exactly the type of bad guy I love.

Rausch's (new) Lost theory: I remember visiting with what might have been one of the last of the old railroad hobos. I don't know how often he came through but I cought him about 4 or 5 times in a 2-3 year span.

One of our conversations ended with this:

Hobo: The devil never cheated anyone.

Me: *something juvenile and smartass*

Hobo: He doesn't have to. He just opens the door so you can be you.

Me: *nothing.*

Hobo: I know you want to jump a train. What you want and what you do aren't the same. Once they are he's gotcha'...

So far we've watched as everyone on the island was tested and also given what they wanted. Like Hurley, in some way they've all won the lottery. But did they all live happily ever after? It's like the island is a whad of clay that isn't moled by you, but instead for you.

All the characters are conflicted and have both the black and white aspects of character. It really does seem like pergatory.

The creators are heavily influenced by literature and big film buffs. I see the island as a combination of The Last Temptation of Christ and The Sphere.

What if God had a hard time deciding where you should go and decided to let you choose, in sudden death overtime?...

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

It is. I expect we will start seeing past that time-frame next season.

BRC- That second pic...

See, I thought the opposite.

I thought that last season ended with the furthest we'd see. And then they'd work backwards with the flash forwards.

Essentially a 3 season halves with flash backs and forwards, 3 seasons each.

I'd love to be wrong because I think they need to do more past last season finale's point. I also think time travel might explain how that comes into play. Hell, we're on the tip of the iceberg with time travel and the island relationship thus far.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by Rausch

This is exactly the type of bad guy I love.

Rausch's (new) Lost theory: I remember visiting with what might have been one of the last of the old railroad hobos. I don't know how often he came through but I cought him about 4 or 5 times in a 2-3 year span.

One of our conversations ended with this:

Hobo: The devil never cheated anyone.

Me: *something juvenile and smartass*

Hobo: He doesn't have to. He just opens the door so you can be you.

Me: *nothing.*

Hobo: I know you want to jump a train. What you want and what you do aren't the same. Once they are he's gotcha'...

So far we've watched as everyone on the island was tested and also given what they wanted. Like Hurley, in some way they've all won the lottery. But did they all live happily ever after? It's like the island is a whad of clay that isn't moled by you, but instead for you.

All the characters are conflicted and have both the black and white aspects of character. It really does seem like pergatory.

The creators are heavily influenced by literature and big film buffs. I see the island as a combination of The Last Temptation of Christ and The Sphere.

What if God had a hard time deciding where you should go and decided to let you choose, in sudden death overtime?...

Good theory. I have a couple bones to pick here though.

1) Wouldn't this fall under what they categorically ruled out: purgatory/limbo?

2) I guess the rules of the "sudden death overtime" would be put forth but what happened to those who died. What happened to those who have trouble post-island and those that don't (jack versus walt)?

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

See, I thought the opposite.

I thought that last season ended with the furthest we'd see. And then they'd work backwards with the flash forwards.

Essentially a 3 season halves with flash backs and forwards, 3 seasons each.

I'd love to be wrong because I think they need to do more past last season finale's point. I also think time travel might explain how that comes into play. Hell, we're on the tip of the iceberg with time travel and the island relationship thus far.

I think they will, even if takes a while to get there. After Jack's "We have to go back" and obsessive flights to Japan, I expect they some will get back to the Island at some point.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

Good theory. I have a couple bones to pick here though.

1) Wouldn't this fall under what they categorically ruled out: purgatory/limbo?

Depends.

They've not so clearly drawn the lines of where physics meets magnetism/gravity/space time and then religion.

Once you have made the decision to marry the science and the soul, which is the clear end point, who knows (even if my conclusion is wrong.)

And if you've seen "The Last Temptation Of Christ" it doesn't have to be about some defined Heaven/Hell/Pergatory split. The idea is that the test is unique to the individual and only your actions are what's important to you.

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

2) I guess the rules of the "sudden death overtime" would be put forth but what happened to those who died. What happened to those who have trouble post-island and those that don't (jack versus walt)?

Who died that isn't still "present?"

The post-islant problems are all due to decisions made on-island.

Jack is not troubled by going back. He's clearly ate up by what he's left.

Same for Mr. Fatty (did his rock star ghost go away?)

Kate has a life, but she's not happy. She's still the "running Kate."

What is Sayeed doing? Same thing. Still chasing his hate, still making people suffer.

I'd argue, like life, the island follows you. It tracks you down and makes you admit to the parts of you that you don't like to see. So far, anway, that's what the characters have gone through. The Doc follows daddy and gets strung out, Fatty surrenders to what he thinks is his insanity, Sayeed again kills (for pleasure,) and Kate again feels like it's her vs. world.

Nothing has changed in the flash forwards other than the setting...