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Old 11-04-2018, 01:45 PM  
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Ron Torbort should be fired
Atrocious job by Torbort and his crew today:

- Atrocious spots of the ball
- Missed holdings on Browns receivers in red zone
- Dee Ford strip sack and recovery taken away on a clean play nobody flagged
- Chiefs decline Cleveland penalty, CLOCK SHOULD BE RUNNING. Torbort ****s up and misinterprets situation moving Chiefs out of FG range and costing them a timeout.

Quit propping up shit franchises NFL. Browns made their own bed. They best lie in it.

Horrible.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:45 PM   #76
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Why do people, Trent included, say nobody was flagged on Ford's sack/fumble. Ford was flagged. You can clearly see the LJ at the top of the screen throw the flag for a clear offsides by Ford.
Bullshit...and he was not offside
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:46 PM   #77
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The clock has to be running in order to line up and spike the ball to save time.
I mean, even if that's your interpretation, that's great.

But even so, the barest minimum stipulation for intentional grounding isn't met.

YOU CANNOT FLAG A QUARTERBACK FOR INTENTIONAL GROUNDING IF HE IS NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

END. OF. STORY.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:46 PM   #78
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"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.
But why is it illegal when it still meets all the other legal definitions of spiking the ball while not under pressure?

It feels to me the added this rule to clarify/reiterate that spikes were legal - not to declare a spike when the game clock isn't running illegal. Declaring something legal doesn't necessarily make other related things illegal.

I was assuming it was illegal at first because I was taking other sites' interpretation of the rule at face value.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:46 PM   #79
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Clear offsides?
Seems pretty clear to me. If the situation was reversed I would expect it to be called. That intentional grounding however....
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:46 PM   #80
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:46 PM   #81
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As soon as the ball was snapped the clock started running.

Nowhere does it say "clock must be running BEFORE the snap."

Again, I will say READ THE RULES.

What defines a spike? Stipulation met.

What defense intentional grounding? Stipulations avoided.

There's no other section of rules to consider except fantasy fat ref land rules.
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It's Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

Because if the clock isn't running before the play, then you're not saving any time by spiking the ball, correct?

Which, by definition of the rules, means it's not a legal spike.

Why did he spike the ball?

What strategic purpose did that serve??

The clock wasn't running and the 25 second clock hadn't even started yet; take your time, call a play at the line, an RPO, PLENTY of time...

The spike did not save time, as the clock wasn't running. Since the rules state that you can ONLY spike the ball TO SAVE TIME ON THE GAMECLOCK, he committed intentional grounding.

Per the rules in item 3.


Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Otherwise, ANY incomplete/intentional grounding was "done to stop the clock, ref!"
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:48 PM   #82
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Why wasn't the clock running if the penalty was declined. Have I just never noticed that it stops?
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:49 PM   #83
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:50 PM   #84
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AND I REPEAT:

WHERE ON THE PLAY WAS MAHOMES UNDER PRESSURE?

A quarterback MUST be under pressure in order for an intentional grounding penalty.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:50 PM   #85
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I REPEAT :


It's Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

Because if the clock isn't running before the play, then you're not saving any time by spiking the ball, correct?

Which, by definition of the rules, means it's not a legal spike.

Why did he spike the ball?

What strategic purpose did that serve??

The clock wasn't running and the 25 second clock hadn't even started yet; take your time, call a play at the line, an RPO, PLENTY of time...

The spike did not save time, as the clock wasn't running. Since the rules state that you can ONLY spike the ball TO SAVE TIME ON THE GAMECLOCK, he committed intentional grounding.

Per the rules in item 3.


Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Otherwise, ANY incomplete/intentional grounding was "done to stop the clock, ref!"

the problem is, that once the ball is snapped the game clock is running and he is quote Saving Time by definition. I agree that it was a mistake, but I don't believe it violates the rules
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I mean, even if that's your interpretation, that's great.

But even so, the barest minimum stipulation for intentional grounding isn't met.

YOU CANNOT FLAG A QUARTERBACK FOR INTENTIONAL GROUNDING IF HE IS NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

END. OF. STORY.
Bullshit!

You can flag him for it if he's in the pocket and doesn't throw toward the line of scrimmage or in the direction of the reciever.

Remember?

The rules??
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:52 PM   #87
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I REPEAT :


It's Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

Because if the clock isn't running before the play, then you're not saving any time by spiking the ball, correct?

Which, by definition of the rules, means it's not a legal spike.

Why did he spike the ball?

What strategic purpose did that serve??

The clock wasn't running and the 25 second clock hadn't even started yet; take your time, call a play at the line, an RPO, PLENTY of time...

The spike did not save time, as the clock wasn't running. Since the rules state that you can ONLY spike the ball TO SAVE TIME ON THE GAMECLOCK, he committed intentional grounding.

Per the rules in item 3.


Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Otherwise, ANY incomplete/intentional grounding was "done to stop the clock, ref!"
So what is the purpose of this rule? I am sure I am missing something, but it seems like a stupid rule. What is the harm of losing the down and proceeding to the next?
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